the path to immortality.

[quickquestion]

this topic is meant to discuss, scientifically, different approaches and viabilities to immortality.

Immortality, refers to the state of continued physical health. It is not invincibility, which means that someone cannot die. An immortal person could die by being hit by a train, for instance.

 

1. I am trying to find whether or not increasing Stem Cell reproduction will grant immortality. (If the reproduction rate exceeds their death rate.)

2. Some theorists say High Oxygen environments will double lifespans.

3. I am trying to find out if there is a way to surpass the Hayflick limit.

4. Fourthly, my hypothesis is that telomerase does not actually promote cancer, because it will also increase the longevity of anti-cancer cells. Thus my hypothesis is that by simply raising the level of telomerase you will drastically increase lifespan.

[Raider5678]

this topic is meant to discuss, scientifically, different approaches and viabilities to immortality.

Immortality, refers to the state of continued physical health. It is not invincibility, which means that someone cannot die. An immortal person could die by being hit by a train, for instance.

 

1. I am trying to find whether or not increasing Stem Cell reproduction will grant immortality. (If the reproduction rate exceeds their death rate.)

2. Some theorists say High Oxygen environments will double lifespans.

3. I am trying to find out if there is a way to surpass the Hayflick limit.

4. Fourthly, my hypothesis is that telomerase does not actually promote cancer, because it will also increase the longevity of anti-cancer cells. Thus my hypothesis is that by simply raising the level of telomerase you will drastically increase lifespan.

They're working on a pill that will be capable of having the cells repair themselves. They've done it with mice, and have made old mice equally as capable as the young mice. Human trials have already started.

[quickquestion]

They're working on a pill that will be capable of having the cells repair themselves. They've done it with mice, and have made old mice equally as capable as the young mice. Human trials have already started.

Cool. This should make things interesting.

[Function]

They're working on a pill that will be capable of having the cells repair themselves. They've done it with mice, and have made old mice equally as capable as the young mice. Human trials have already started.

 

Please, provide proof in the form of an article or multiple articles published in peer-reviewed journals ... Not that I don't want to believe you, but this is a very severe domain.

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Please, provide proof in the form of an article or multiple articles published in peer-reviewed journals ... Not that I don't want to believe you, but this is a very severe domain.

Thankyou for suggesting this. That should save me some trouble of having to google this on my own.

[dimreepr]

this topic is meant to discuss, scientifically, different approaches and viabilities to immortality.

Immortality, refers to the state of continued physical health. It is not invincibility, which means that someone cannot die. An immortal person could die by being hit by a train, for instance.

 

1. I am trying to find whether or not increasing Stem Cell reproduction will grant immortality. (If the reproduction rate exceeds their death rate.)

2. Some theorists say High Oxygen environments will double lifespans.

3. I am trying to find out if there is a way to surpass the Hayflick limit.

4. Fourthly, my hypothesis is that telomerase does not actually promote cancer, because it will also increase the longevity of anti-cancer cells. Thus my hypothesis is that by simply raising the level of telomerase you will drastically increase lifespan.

 

You seem to have no understanding of the concept of time; it may take a while to go from bacteria to humans, but that's nothing compared to time, yet you quibble about the definition of immortality.

 

However long you live, you'll still die.

[quickquestion]

 

You seem to have no understanding of the concept of time; it may take a while to go from bacteria to humans, but that's nothing compared to time, yet you quibble about the definition of immortality.

 

However long you live, you'll still die.

Immortality is not the same definition as invincible, which was already addressed in topic but I guess you didn't find it important enough to read.

[dimreepr]

Immortality is not the same definition as invincible, which was already addressed in topic but I guess you didn't find it important enough to read.

 

Indeed not, as I've explained.

[Manticore]

The problem with immortality would be that your brain would eventually run out of storage capacity (I've seen estimates of 300 years, though nobody knows for sure) and then you would, presumably, just grind to a halt.

[Bender]

Or old, less important information gets overwritten.

In 300 years, we'll probably be able to plug in an external flash drive anyway.

[Itoero]

They're working on a pill that will be capable of having the cells repair themselves. They've done it with mice, and have made old mice equally as capable as the young mice. Human trials have already started.

Which cells? And where do you get that info from? I have a neuromuscular disease, such a pill could save my life.

There are imo to many problems to reach immortality...we have evolved to die.

 

There is already a way to cut and paste in DNA (CRISPR cas9).

I contacted one of the developers and she basically answered CRISPR Cas9 technology has a lot of potential but it has to evolve a lot to make it safe and effective.

Informative website concerning this subject: https://innovativegenomics.org/

 

Many organisms have regenerative abilities. If we can find the cause in the DNA for the regenerative abilities and are able to copy/paste this info in human DNA then we are a step closer to immortality. A problem is that you can't just insert info in human DNA and expect it to do what it did in the original organism.

In order to create immortality then you need imo to make new DNA with the correct properties.

An immortal human is imo impossible but perhaps we can create immortal creatures.

[Function]

Immortality equals chaos and nothing but problems.

[Raider5678]

 

Please, provide proof in the form of an article or multiple articles published in peer-reviewed journals ... Not that I don't want to believe you, but this is a very severe domain.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-03-scientists-unveil-giant-anti-aging.html

Immortality equals chaos and nothing but problems.

I agree.

Eventually, you'd be such a frickin mess, with so many scars and missing limbs and health problems it wouldn't be worth it.

[Function]

Eventually, you'd be such a frickin mess, with so many scars and missing limbs and health problems it wouldn't be worth it.

 

And depression.

[Manticore]

Immortality equals chaos and nothing but problems.

Just imagine an immortal Trump creature!

[Function]

Just imagine an immortal Trump creature!

 

No need to go that far: just imagine yourself to be immortal. The hell would you keep doing after you've done everything. Can't imagine of something more boring than being immortal.

[Bender]

No need to go that far: just imagine yourself to be immortal. The hell would you keep doing after you've done everything. Can't imagine of something more boring than being immortal.

Legalising suicide could solve that issue.

[Function]

Legalising suicide could solve that issue.

 

Legalising? No law will stop you from doing it; it isn't illegal, as far as I'm aware of ... Imagine being locked up for committing suicide. Lol

 

Everyone in such world and life will become extremely bored. But far from everyone will have the 'guts' to perform the act of suicide: no way back. What if something amazing happens when I'd be dead? Am I prepared to miss that? ...

[quickquestion]

The problem with immortality would be that your brain would eventually run out of storage capacity (I've seen estimates of 300 years, though nobody knows for sure) and then you would, presumably, just grind to a halt.

Well we would need a way to wipe the memory of traumatic events, so that we could live comfortable lives. This technology, could, of course, be used by nefarious governments to wipe brains to obey society.

 

 

 

Legalising? No law will stop you from doing it; it isn't illegal, as far as I'm aware of ... Imagine being locked up for committing suicide. Lol

 

Everyone in such world and life will become extremely bored. But far from everyone will have the 'guts' to perform the act of suicide: no way back. What if something amazing happens when I'd be dead? Am I prepared to miss that? ...

Depends on whether or not they can wipe their mind of traumatic events, as well as the quality of the world.

In a high quality world with love, mystery, and fun activities, they would not want to commit suicide.

[Bender]

 

Legalising? No law will stop you from doing it; it isn't illegal, as far as I'm aware of ... Imagine being locked up for committing suicide. Lol

 

Everyone in such world and life will become extremely bored. But far from everyone will have the 'guts' to perform the act of suicide: no way back. What if something amazing happens when I'd be dead? Am I prepared to miss that? ...

Suicide itself is illegal in some countries. In the majority of countries assisted suicide is illegal, which is what you would need for those who lack the 'guts'.

 

Encouraging or facilitating someone to commit suicide is often illegal too, so you can't run suicide boots or organise suicide trips at the moment.

[Function]

Suicide itself is illegal in some countries. In the majority of countries assisted suicide is illegal, which is what you would need for those who lack the 'guts'.

 

Encouraging or facilitating someone to commit suicide is often illegal too, so you can't run suicide boots or organise suicide trips at the moment.

 

Great list of countries. You can kind of expect what kind of countries make suicide attempts "illegal". I'm actually quite surprised that assisted suicide is legal, baffled that it's legal in Belgium: I always thought helping someone committing suicide was illegal.

 

Guess it's different from helping someone in making the decision of committing suicide?

 

But seriously ... Looking at some penalties they give people who failed a suicide attempt just gives an idea of the primitivity of that country: these patients are mostly locked up in prison ... Only a matter of encourageing them to try again after they are released. They ought to get psychiatric help, no jailtime.

 

I find the term "legal" quite misleading, actually, thinking about it ... An impending suicide, for example, gives doctors an exception to the patient-physician duty of confidentiality: whenever an emergency situation is imminent, a physician can overrule the duty of confidentiality for the sake of the well-being of his patient(s) and/or society (also e.g. when a physician has strong suspicions of ongoing child abuse; but when someone who killed another person consults his doctor confessing the crime, and not apparent of committing any other crime henceforth, a physician is still bound to duty of confidentiality, in Belgium ... beautiful, isn't it?)

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[Manticore]

Well we would need a way to wipe the memory of traumatic events, so that we could live comfortable lives.

And if you do that to someone then they are not the same person. So why bother at all.

(I can't even imagine how boring a 'comfortable' life would be.)

[quickquestion]

 

Great list of countries. You can kind of expect what kind of countries make suicide attempts "illegal". I'm actually quite surprised that assisted suicide is legal, baffled that it's legal in Belgium: I always thought helping someone committing suicide was illegal.

 

Guess it's different from helping someone in making the decision of committing suicide?

 

But seriously ... Looking at some penalties they give people who failed a suicide attempt just gives an idea of the primitivity of that country: these patients are mostly locked up in prison ... Only a matter of encourageing them to try again after they are released. They ought to get psychiatric help, no jailtime.

 

I find the term "legal" quite misleading, actually, thinking about it ... An impending suicide, for example, gives doctors an exception to the patient-physician duty of confidentiality: whenever an emergency situation is imminent, a physician can overrule the duty of confidentiality for the sake of the well-being of his patient(s) and/or society (also e.g. when a physician has strong suspicions of ongoing child abuse; but when someone who killed another person consults his doctor confessing the crime, and not apparent of committing any other crime henceforth, a physician is still bound to duty of confidentiality, in Belgium ... beautiful, isn't it?)

Basically, you have a point.

The therapy industry is set up that patients never reveal their suicidal thoughts, for fear of being locked away in an asylum. Thus therapists can never really heal their patient, because the patient is actually afraid of revealing any relevant truths to them.

[Function]

Basically, you have a point.

The therapy industry is set up that patients never reveal their suicidal thoughts, for fear of being locked away in an asylum. Thus therapists can never really heal their patient, because the patient is actually afraid of revealing any relevant truths to them.

 

Suicidal patients aren't locked up in an asylum ... At least not in Belgium.

 

But there is a certain stigma on having a clinical depression/major depressive disorder, and there's a certain treshold you have to overcome to make the first step to a healthcare worker.

 

Without consent, no one can be 'locked up' in an asylum. In Belgium, that is.

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Suicidal patients aren't locked up in an asylum ... At least not in Belgium.

 

But there is a certain stigma on having a clinical depression/major depressive disorder, and there's a certain treshold you have to overcome to make the first step to a healthcare worker.

 

Without consent, no one can be 'locked up' in an asylum. In Belgium, that is.

I speak of America. In America suicidals are thrown in mental hospitals under lock and key. They are not technically called asylums, but are basically almost the same, since you cannot leave without first getting permission from a doctor.