quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 Society inherently hates happiness and pleasure to the point of where I have to wonder if my thread will be closed. On other communities, my thread would be closed, but this is a science community so I doubt my thread will be closed. This is not a troll thread, and I can assure you I am not happy while writing this. Society hates happiness and pleasure inherently. If some guy pees into a toilet, society says it is acceptable. But if some guy masterbates into a toilet, society says it is unnacceptable. But what is the difference? Both are ejecting bodily fluids into a toilet. The reason society hates it is because they hate seeing people happy. Pleasure disturbs them. Pee does not disturb them because it shows that person is neutral. It's crab psychology, misery wants everyone to be miserable. And I will admit, I have crab psychology too, I can't stand when I see people happy, because I am not happy. But in the same token, I don't see what the social taboo is about sex. Part of the reason I hate these people, is because these happy people do their best to make the unhappy people even more miserable. Happy people, who get sex and relationships often, are often the ones trying to make sex and happiness taboo. It is part of the symptoms of capitalistic barbarian greed...And I for one do not wish to experience the horrors of evolution for 1 million more years of it. I will not be downgraded to the level of cro-magnon with sticks, with the selfish strong always oppressing the weak. I want to be loved and adored, not caste aside by a selfish cro-magnon horde. -1
StringJunky Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 Society inherently hates happiness and pleasure to the point of where I have to wonder if my thread will be closed. On other communities, my thread would be closed, but this is a science community so I doubt my thread will be closed. This is not a troll thread, and I can assure you I am not happy while writing this. Society hates happiness and pleasure inherently. If some guy pees into a toilet, society says it is acceptable. But if some guy masterbates into a toilet, society says it is unnacceptable. But what is the difference? Both are ejecting bodily fluids into a toilet. The reason society hates it is because they hate seeing people happy. Pleasure disturbs them. Pee does not disturb them because it shows that person is neutral. It's crab psychology, misery wants everyone to be miserable. And I will admit, I have crab psychology too, I can't stand when I see people happy, because I am not happy. But in the same token, I don't see what the social taboo is about sex. Part of the reason I hate these people, is because these happy people do their best to make the unhappy people even more miserable. Happy people, who get sex and relationships often, are often the ones trying to make sex and happiness taboo. It is part of the symptoms of capitalistic barbarian greed...And I for one do not wish to experience the horrors of evolution for 1 million more years of it. I will not be downgraded to the level of cro-magnon with sticks, with the selfish strong always oppressing the weak. I want to be loved and adored, not caste aside by a selfish cro-magnon horde. It's getting tiresome and depressing seeing you spamming this site with your endless, inane navel-gazing and whingeing. 4
quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) It's getting tiresome and depressing seeing you spamming this site with your endless, inane navel-gazing and whingeing. It's getting tiresome that whenever I point out something wrong with society, noone supports me and acts antagonistic towards me. It's very status quo and also enraging. It's like how I went to a church full of mathematicians, some of them were better at math than me, and whenever I challenged their god they all piled up on and ganged up on me. Too much left-brain thinking I presume. Very status quo. Maddening. After all these years, the human species, still acts the same and never learns from history. Edited April 23, 2017 by quickquestion
Bender Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) And I will admit, I have crab psychology too, I can't stand when I see people happy, because I am not happy. But in the same token, I don't see what the social taboo is about sex. Part of the reason I hate these people, is because these happy people do their best to make the unhappy people even more miserable. I think that is your main problem. I, and almost everyone I know, prefer to see other people happy, because seeing people happy makes us happy. People will not do any effort at all to make people like you less happy (you seem to manage that quite well on your own). At best they are indifferent about your happiness. The social taboo has to do with culture and tradition and seeing other people have sex makes most people uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with limiting happiness: nobody cares if you masturbate all day at home (how would they know). Edited April 23, 2017 by Bender
quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) I think that is your main problem. I, and almost everyone I know, prefer to see other people happy, because seeing people happy makes us happy. People will not do any effort at all to make people like you less happy (you seem to manage that quite well on your own). At best they are indifferent about your happiness. The social taboo has to do with culture and tradition and seeing other people have sex makes most people uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with limiting happiness: nobody cares if you masturbate all day at home (how would they know). Now you make true points but you are missing the core point of my argument. I am saying that the reason people feel inherently uncomfortable at thoughts of others having sex, is because the idea of seeing someone extremely happy disturbs them. They would rather everyone feel neutral. This is an inherent psychological reaction. Edited April 23, 2017 by quickquestion
Bender Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 I have never experienced that, nor witnessed it in others. Any evidence for that? People get great pleasure from eating e.g. icecream or chocolate (according to some even more than from sex), but buying and eating those in public is no problem. There are plenty of other examples of people enjoying themselves in public.
quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) I have never experienced that, nor witnessed it in others. Any evidence for that? People get great pleasure from eating e.g. icecream or chocolate (according to some even more than from sex), but buying and eating those in public is no problem. There are plenty of other examples of people enjoying themselves in public. People do not enjoy when others watch them eat. And people are inherently averse to watching people eat. This averseness amplifies when the pleasure increases. It is one of the psychological causes of heterosexuality. Males like to compete and inherently feel good when they push others down. Males do not enjoy giving sexual pleasure to other males. The idea disturbs them. But also, this applies to females as well. Females are averse to giving sexual pleasure to males as well. The idea that she is being used as a conduit to happiness, disturbs her. Thus the popularity of gladiatorial arenas...people love watching others suffer. Crowds of people, women and children, gather round hangings. Edited April 23, 2017 by quickquestion
imatfaal Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 ! Moderator Note quickquestion Some evidence required other than your own opinion is required. Even though this is Philosophy that does not mean we allow bald assertions of a claimed fact (or facts). If no form of evidence (we are expecting articles, studies etc.) is forthcoming the thread will be locked - not because we are disturbed talking about sex but because this is a science forum and an empirical base is essential to a discussion like this.
quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) ! Moderator Note Some evidence required other than your own opinion is required. Even though this is Philosophy that does not allow bald assertions of a claimed fact (or facts). If no form of evidence (we are expecting articles, studies etc.) is forthcoming the thread will be locked - not because we are disturbed talking about sex but because this is a science forum and an empirical base is essential to a discussion like this. I gave you evidence. People enjoy watching hangings, gladitorial arenas, and violent television. Most people do not enjoy when you stare and watch them eat. But I can't find any studies to prove it. But in my lifetime of interactions and talking with people they say they don't enjoy it. Also it is obvious that society does not like masterbation. This is proven by social attitudes. For instance, Pee Wee herman was socially ostracized for public masturbation. This is my proof. Edited April 23, 2017 by quickquestion
Strange Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 It's getting tiresome that whenever I point out something wrong with society, noone supports me and acts antagonistic towards me. That is because you are not pointing out something wrong with society. You are just being aarrogant, self-absorbed, immature , repetitive and annoying. Your threads get closed, you say. What a surprise. 1
quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 That is because you are not pointing out something wrong with society. You are just being aarrogant, self-absorbed, immature , repetitive and annoying. Your threads get closed, you say. What a surprise. How am I not pointing out something wrong with society? It is arrogant to say that I am not. Please provide argument and proof to your claims that I am not pointing out something wrong with society..
John Cuthber Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 I gave you evidence. People enjoy watching hangings, gladitorial arenas, and violent television. There's a lot of porn out there which shows that people actually enjoy watching people have fun (whatever the voyeur's motivation might be). So, you are plainly wrong.
quickquestion Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 There's a lot of porn out there which shows that people actually enjoy watching people have fun (whatever the voyeur's motivation might be). So, you are plainly wrong. You are right but also wrong. Porn is taken as a self-centered kind of psychology. People keep the porn to themselves. It is not part of their social brains. As a society, society says porn is off-limits. And this is exactly my point. People dont want to have porn in society because sensing other's extreme happiness disturbs them.
imatfaal Posted April 23, 2017 Posted April 23, 2017 ! Moderator Note OK thread locked. I don't want the Philosophy forum to become a repository of poorly evidenced guesswork and nonsense - this topic if evidenced might fit into psychology; but without a factual base it belongs no where. I asked for evidence and the response was more assertion and the mention of a comic fictional character - not good enough. This forum is for philosophy not wild-assed guessery. 2
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