Time Dilation

[Handy andy]

0.5c + 0.5c does not equal c

 

Ah yes, I was not being rigorous, as usual.

 

Time dilation "is still the kings new clothes", it does not mean you will live longer, or slower, unless you are using your local clock to give you the time.

[swansont]

A Photon of light.

 

Electrons are viewed in many different ways, I regard them as waves, moving in space, with a charge, momentum, and mass. Electrons exist in shells around a nucleus, outside of an atom. Does modern atomic theory state otherwise.

 

All waves even photons are affected by gravity. The sub atomic particles are all waves they will all be affected by gravity, what part of physics states they wont be what proof do I need.

If you want to "regard" electrons in a way inconsistent with accepted theory, you need to make your case for doing so.

 

You need to come up with a testable way of distinguishing instrument error from the effects of relativity. You have not done this, and it's required. You've had plenty of opportunity, but instead you chase after other distractions.

[Strange]

The people in the ship will see the clock running, if they use it to measure their heart rates their pulse rate will appear raised, ie running at normal speed, The clock is just an instrument moving through space whose movement is being affected by its movement through space.

 

1. Why are the electrons and atoms in clocks affected but not those in your body?

 

2. Two people, A and B, moving relative to one another. A sees B's clock running slow and B sees A's clock running slow. How can that be a mechanical effect on the atoms?

 

3. You are stationary relative to me so your clock is not running slow. You are moving at 10,000 MPH relative to the Cassini probe so you clock is running a little bit slow. You are moving at 98% c from the view of atmospheric muons, so your clock is running really, really slow. How can a mechanical effect make your clock run at three different speeds?

[Handy andy]

 

1. Why are the electrons and atoms in clocks affected but not those in your body?

 

2. Two people, A and B, moving relative to one another. A sees B's clock running slow and B sees A's clock running slow. How can that be a mechanical effect on the atoms?

 

3. You are stationary relative to me so your clock is not running slow. You are moving at 10,000 MPH relative to the Cassini probe so you clock is running a little bit slow. You are moving at 98% c from the view of atmospheric muons, so your clock is running really, really slow. How can a mechanical effect make your clock run at three different speeds?

 

1) Of course atoms in your body are affected, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because space is pulling at your particles. It is more likely to age them.

 

2) They are using cheap Chinese watches, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because time is being measured differently.

 

3) The clocks are running at different speeds and are measuring time differently, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because space is pulling at your particles.

 

The clocks time is being affected by their movement in space, which also distorts space. Space is distorted by the movement of the particles in a nucleus as well as the movement of electrons and photons. The clocks measure different times because of the different rates of change of space around their particles. And as we all know space transmits all known forces

[DrP]

If time is being slowed down.... which is then measured by the clock going slower... why on earth would your body ignore that and 'speed up' it's aging process so as to ignore it's surroundings and match it's aging with reference frame of people on earth rather than that of any other planet or place in the universe?

We know this happens - it has been tested and proven to be fact.

[Strange]

The clocks time is being affected by their movement in space, which also distorts space. Space is distorted by the movement of the particles in a nucleus as well as the movement of electrons and photons. The clocks measure different times because of the different rates of change of space around their particles. And as we all know space transmits all known forces

 

 

I can't work out if you are being deliberately evasive (because your scenario is impossible) or you actually don't understand.

 

There is one clock: your clock. It runs at different rates as seen by different observers. How can that be a mechanical effect in your clock? How can one clock (your clock) run at three different speeds? Even if your clock is a cheap Chinese one, that does not seem to be possible.

 

 

 

1) Of course atoms in your body are affected, but why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because space is pulling at your particles. It is more likely to age them.

 

If the atoms in your body are slowed down in the same way as the clocks are, and therefore all the chemical reactions slow by the same amount, then how would you NOT age more slowly.

 

But now you are saying that the behaviour of electrons/atoms in a clock are slowed down, while those in your body speed up.

 

Do you really think an electron knows if it is in a clock or a living cell? That is an insane idea.

[swansont]

 

why on earth would it slow down your aging process or bodily functions, because space is pulling at your particles.

 

 

 

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Moderator Note

 

Two things here: one is that by asking the question you are demonstrating the fallacy of argument by personal incredulity. You don't understand relativity, therefore it must be wrong. The second is related: "space is pulling at your particles" is a strawman. You have no grasp of what relativity entails, so you are attempting to rebut your own version of it.

 

Rule 2.4 says that this method of argument is not to be used, and for good reason. Arguments relying on fallacies are invalid.

 

We are not going to go around and around in circles because of your appeal to these fallacies, here or in other threads. If you don't provide scientific evidence of your claims there is no discussion to be had. What you can do is ask questions, in mainstream threads, if you can do that without making unsubstantiated claims.