Support for all my British friends

[dimreepr]

 

The terrorism issue has not been, so far.

 

You're right, history offers no solution to the issue, oh wait...

Edited June 7, 2017 by dimreepr

[Carrock]

I support this. I don't know which rights exactly they are reducing, but I support the notion.

Theresa May:

And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and the movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they present a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court.

From previous attempts, this likely means longer detention without trial, curfews etc.

 

In South Africa during apartheid, there were 90 day detention orders, renewed every 90 days.

 

In Guantanamo Bay, there is lifetime detention for some, although even Trump so far has approved nothing worse than waterboarding.

 

Anyone who criticizes such things will be constantly wondering if their speech qualifies them as terrorist suspects.

 

Detention etc is of course likely to convert wrong thinking people who were not a threat into a threat.

 

Supporters of such policies usually think it will never happen to them; trials are an unnecessary impediment to justice.

[Delta1212]

Theresa May:

From previous attempts, this likely means longer detention without trial, curfews etc.

 

In South Africa during apartheid, there were 90 day detention orders, renewed every 90 days.

 

In Guantanamo Bay, there is lifetime detention for some, although even Trump so far has approved nothing worse than waterboarding.

 

Anyone who criticizes such things will be constantly wondering if their speech qualifies them as terrorist suspects.

 

Detention etc is of course likely to convert wrong thinking people who were not a threat into a threat.

 

Supporters of such policies usually think it will never happen to them; trials are an unnecessary impediment to justice.

The destruction of the lives of innocent people is a small price to pay to avoid the destruction of the lives of innocent people.

[iNow]

I'll just leave this here:

 

 

[Lord Antares]

This image misses the point badly and it has nothing to do with the topic.

Rape very rarely results in death afterwards, so that means that rape shouldn't be battled? It isn't an issue. That's how it sounds the way you are putting it. You may not mean it, but you are saying it.

 

 

 

You're right, history offers no solution to the issue, oh wait...

 

This is a new form of terrorism, unseen (in the western world at least). We are familiar with military terrorism, but this is civilian terrorism. The most obvious difference being that you can more easily identify armed terrorists and shoot them down, while the same cannot be applied in this case.

[Delta1212]

The problem is people being killed by terrorists. Therefore the number of people killed by terrorists is a good metric for how big of a problem it is.

 

 

Also,

 

This image misses the point badly and it has nothing to do with the topic.

Rape very rarely results in death afterwards, so that means that rape shouldn't be battled? It isn't an issue. That's how it sounds the way you are putting it. You may not mean it, but you are saying it.

 

 

 

This is a new form of terrorism, unseen (in the western world at least). We are familiar with military terrorism, but this is civilian terrorism. The most obvious difference being that you can more easily identify armed terrorists and shoot them down, while the same cannot be applied in this case.

What history are you familiar with that you think "civilian terrorism" is a heretofore unseen phenomenon in the Western world?

[Prometheus]

What do you mean with the exception of 2015.? The immigration started in 2015. when terrorism rose exponentially compared to the last 3 years. There's an updated graph below which shows that 2016. was similar to 2015. and 2017. is looking similar. These 3 years are the highest in death tolls by terrorism since 2004. and they are consecutive years, another very important thing. 2004 was an isolated year.

 

The 2015, 2016 and 2017 mortality rates are still half that of many years in the 70s and 80s. And the rate across decades is way down. So, yeah, things have improved alot: the rate is down compared to earlier decades no matter how you look at it.

 

Which is not to say there isn't a problem, just that we need to look at it in perspective before getting hysterical.

 

 

This is clearly a lot different. See my example about landmines. If not that many people are dying from mines, you think they should be left there forever? Only a handful get blown up by stepping on them, so who cares, right?

 

Also, rape has been increased since the immigration. But that's irrelevant too, right?

 

Couldn't find a clear account of immigration rates in western Europe for the last few decades: but it didn't just start in 2015. The school i went to near London had a 70% Muslim membership. Before we start shooting off saying there is a correlation, we should at least actually check there is a correlation. Let's see the rape statistics across western Europe that led you to you conclusion too. If you can collect that data i'd be happy to perform an analysis on it.

 

 

And why on earth are you bringing up landmines again and again? No one is advocating leaving landmines, just as no one is advocating doing nothing about Islamic, or any, terrorism. As many people have pointed out It is not a case of limit our freedoms or do nothing. Why do you think is?

 

We can still address the radicalisation that occurs in our prisons (and would probably get worse with tougher sentences), the sharing of intelligence across borders (possibly harder after Brexit), the destabilising influence removing various Arab leaders has had on the Middle East (lessons for our Foreign Policy), the use specialist anti-terror police, and liaising with the Muslim community to prevent radicalisation at the root.

 

After these avenues - and ones i haven't thought of for i am no counter-terrorism expert - have been properly explored and terrorism continues to rise i will be willing to discuss curtailing freedoms.

[CharonY]

The highest rate of non-eu immigration to the UK was around 2000 and plateaued/ declined since then.

I would be interested, if someone actually found a correlation between immigration and terrorism as I have not seen such studies. Well, actually there's one that claimed a significant increase in right-wing terrorism (which seems to be true in Germany, at least).