Manipulated 2015 Global Warming Data ?

[Airbrush]

Does anyone know anything about the following story? It says:

 

“...world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data” that has the details of yet another global warming data scandal. According to the report, fake data was made up prior to the 2015 Paris accords.

 

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

 

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

 

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

 

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data."

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

 

I searched the internet and there are many examples of this exact same claim, and yet I don't remember Trump ever talking about this during his trip to Paris. I don't see it debunked at all.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Airbrush

[studiot]

This is more fun

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-40586209/cutting-flatulence-to-save-the-planet

[Sicarii]

Does anyone know anything about the following story? It says:

 

“...world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data” that has the details of yet another global warming data scandal. According to the report, fake data was made up prior to the 2015 Paris accords.

 

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

 

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

 

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

 

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data."

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

 

I searched the internet and there are many examples of this exact same claim, and yet I don't remember Trump ever talking about this during his trip to Paris. I don't see it debunked at all.

 

I wouldn't give much credence to tabloids. They are well-known inflame and distort truth in order to drive an agenda and increase viewership. Controversy sells.

 

The story is two years old and have since been debunked. See below:

 

No Data Manipulation in 2015 Climate Study, Researchers Say

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/science/2015-climate-study-data.html

 

Bates: "The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was."

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060049630

 

Bates: "I knew people would misuse this. But you can't control other people."

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/how-culture-clash-noaa-led-flap-over-high-profile-warming-pause-study

 

No climate conspiracy: NOAA temperature adjustments bring data closer to pristine

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/feb/08/no-climate-conspiracy-noaa-temperature-adjustments-bring-data-closer-to-pristine

 

This is why conservative media outlets like the Daily Mail are 'unreliable'

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/feb/13/this-is-why-conservative-media-outlets-like-the-daily-mail-are-unreliable?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

As the planet warms, doubters launch a new attack on a famous climate change study

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/07/as-the-planet-warms-doubters-launch-a-new-attack-on-a-famous-climate-change-study/?utm_term=.95f78139c795

 

Factcheck: Mail on Sunday’s ‘astonishing evidence’ about global temperature rise

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-mail-sundays-astonishing-evidence-global-temperature-rise

[Airbrush]

Thanks for the great material for discussion!

 

Someone sent me the story. What made me suspicious was the fact that when I googled the words "world leaders duped manipulated global warming data" I got many web sites with the story and all the stories were duplicates. Someone had copied and pasted the article in many different web sites. Has anyone noticed this technique by climate deniers to copy and paste bogus articles?

[Manticore]

A good basic rule is that, like Fox News, anything that appears in the Daily Mail should not be believed unless it is confirmed by reputable sources.

[John Cuthber]

A good basic rule is that, like Fox News, anything that appears in the Daily Mail should not be believed unless it is confirmed by reputable sources.

Or, as is loosely equivalent, don't read the Daily Mail.

[Strange]

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that ...

 

 

Or, to put it another way: The Mail again prints lies to support their political agenda. Did they blame immigrants or women for it?

[John Cuthber]

 

 

Or, to put it another way: The Mail again prints lies to support their political agenda. Did they blame immigrants or women for it?

Well, they blamed the whole lot on Americans and they are, of course "a bit foreign" and they also said

"His disclosures are likely to stiffen President Trump’s determination to enact his pledges to reverse his predecessor’s ‘green’ policies,".

Always good to point out how much better Trump is compared to the last guy (he was a bit dark you know).

[Airbrush]

What is the current most reputable web site to go to on the subject of climate change?

 

Did anyone hear Trump mention this article about the whistleblower Dr. John Bates? When he pulled out of the Paris Climate Accord he should have mentioned this.

Edited July 15, 2017 by Airbrush

[John Cuthber]

Last I heard was that Trump had realised his mistake and was thinking of "flip flopping" on it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-paris-agreement-macron-france-visit-climate-change-something-could-happen-a7840021.html

[Airbrush]

This comes from the link directly above. Trump says regarding JOINING the Paris Climate Accord.

 

“If it happens that will be wonderful and if it doesn't that will be ok too,” Mr Trump said at a joint press conference with French President Emmanuel Macron, appearing to leave the matter open-ended. “We’ll see what happens.”

 

In typically vague Trumpspeak what exactly did he say?

 

It looks like he said "If the US joins the world again in the Paris Climate Accord, that will be wonderful, and if it doesn't that will be ok too."

 

Anyone disagree?

Edited July 15, 2017 by Airbrush

[Sicarii]

Thanks for the great material for discussion!

 

Someone sent me the story. What made me suspicious was the fact that when I googled the words "world leaders duped manipulated global warming data" I got many web sites with the story and all the stories were duplicates. Someone had copied and pasted the article in many different web sites. Has anyone noticed this technique by climate deniers to copy and paste bogus articles?

 

Not only climate deniers do it -- it's become some sort of new norm for right-wing tabloids to recycle isolated incidents, falsehoods, or straight out lies in order to push a particular political agenda.

 

[American] left-wing tabloids do it too, but in general they are more receptive to facts, and thus are more likely to back up their claims in their articles.

 

Some members hinted at not reading certain publications. My approach towards the media is the following: learn how to filter out biases and falsehoods. I wouldn't consciously go to Breitbart or Alex Jones, because they have a history of regurgitating lies and falsehoods, but if someone linked me to an article on there I will read it, and I will verify the information with other sources.

 

The media has been biased since the dawn of history, and will continue to be, so the onus is on the reader/viewer to verify the information being conveyed to them.

What is the current most reputable web site to go to on the subject of climate change?

 

Did anyone hear Trump mention this article about the whistleblower Dr. John Bates? When he pulled out of the Paris Climate Accord he should have mentioned this.

 

I do not think I am qualified enough to determine "most reputable" -- I leave that up to you.

 

But I think http://skepticalscience.com is way up there as far as quality of content. All of the science is linked back to its original peer-reviewed source.

 

Other good sources include:

 

NASA's climate portal

https://climate.nasa.gov/

 

The Guardian: Environment. They offer well-rounded news about the environment in general, and they cover a great deal of climate change news.

https://www.theguardian.com/us/environment

 

RealClimate - a commentary site by working climate scientists

http://www.realclimate.org/

 

Government organizations, climate science journals, or science news publications (like ScientificAmerican or ScienceNews) are all good resources as well.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Sicarii