Radiation and cancer (split from Devils influence)

[Sensei]

 

Why not include things like bone cancer in children?

 

Cancer is result of random mutation, caused in many cases by radioactive isotope decay (f.e. C-14), random decay of cosmic ray particle, primary or secondary cosmic ray..

Nevertheless, tremendously stupid humans (f.e. imbecile truman), increased chance to get cancer tremendously, by making and blowing up in air, ground and water, nuclear bombs...

[Strange]

Nevertheless, tremendously stupid humans (f.e. imbecile truman), increased chance to get cancer tremendously, by making and blowing up in air, ground and water, nuclear bombs...

 

 

"Tremendously"? Got any data to support that?

[Sensei]

"Tremendously"? Got any data to support that?

 

Does nuclear bomb detonation release radioactive isotopes and spread around the world (especially the one dissolvable in water).. ?

You have your data..

[Strange]

 

Does nuclear bomb detonation release radioactive isotopes and spread around the world (especially the one dissolvable in water).. ?

You have your data..

 

 

Sorry, I see no data. Please provide a source.

 

Or are you saying (rather like the metaphor of the Fall from the Garden of Eden) that there was no radiation in the world before then?

Edited July 17, 2017 by Strange

[Sensei]

Sorry, I see no data. Please provide a source.

Get my application for calculating all this quantum physics stuff..

 

Or are you saying (rather like the metaphor of the Fall from the Garden of Eden) that there was no radiation in the world before then?

Result of fission of Uranium-235 can be Barium-141

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_barium

Barium-141 decays via

Barium-141 -> Lanthanum-141 + e- + Ve + 3.21272 MeV

or

Barium-141 -> Xenon-137 + alpha + 0.228911 MeV

 

Lanthanum-141 is unstable isotope and decays via

Lanthanum-141 -> Cerium-141 + e- + Ve + 2.50171 MeV

or

Lanthanum-141 -> Caesium-137 + alpha + 1.1823 MeV

 

or

Xenon-137 -> Caesium-137 + e- + Ve + 4.16611 MeV

 

 

Cerium-141 is unstable isotope and decays via

Caesium-141 -> Barium-141 + e- + Ve + 5.24897 MeV

Barium-141 -> Lanthanum-141 + e- + Ve + 3.21272 MeV

Lanthanum-141 -> Caesium-137 + alpha + 1.1823 MeV

 

And you end up with Caesium-137 (I group element)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137

easily dissolvable in water,

thus easily being ingested by humans, animals, and other living organisms, and being contaminated by radioactive isotope..

 

Caesium-137 is also unstable isotope and decays via

Caesium-137 -> Barium-137 + e- + Ve + 1.17564 MeV

 

Just one path, from many others..

Edited July 17, 2017 by Sensei

[Strange]

Get my application for calculating all this quantum physics stuff..

 

 

That all seems irrelevant to the question. I was not asking about radioactive decay paths.

@Strange and Sensei - I believe Sensei may not be a native English speaker. Consequently he may have used "tremendously" as a synonym for "significantly". I hope you would agree that the atmospheric nuclear tests from the 40's through to the early 60's did significantly increase the risk of thyroid cancer in children who drank milk. It seems to me that was the point Sensei was making.

 

Ah. I assumed it was a more general claim about cancer generally.

 

I have only found one paper that suggest there might be such a link. I'm sure there are others. But it doesn't seem a huge effect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3865880/

[Area54]

I have only found one paper that suggest there might be such a link. I'm sure there are others. But it doesn't seem a huge effect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3865880/

It was a sufficient concern that in the late 1950s, in Britain, the government was considering prohibiting the consumption of milk by children. I do not have a reference for this, but recall it from my own memories of the time. There is some current US information here. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/i-131

[Strange]

This is an interesting question and probably deserves its own thread.

 

Interestingly, this paper says "the development of various therapeutic radiation treatments over the recent decades represents another major cause for the increase in the thyroidal cancer incidence in the United States." That's a real double-edged sword.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4165831/