Dionysus Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Hi to all, My paper will be published in Pramana, the respected and highly mathematical peer-reviewed journal of physics of the Indian Academy of Sciences. The accepted version is attached and all comments, thoughts, questions, and criticisms are welcome. I look forward to input and discussion regarding the argument presented. FTLSDemon.pdf
Daecon Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I can't open .PDF files on my device. Can you copy/paste your abstract?
Dionysus Posted August 18, 2017 Author Posted August 18, 2017 Abstract. Kennedy [Philosophy of Science 62, 4 (1995)] has argued that the various quantum mechanical no-signaling proofs formulated thus far share a common mathematical framework, are circular in nature, and do not preclude the construction of empirically testable schemes wherein superluminal exchange of information can occur. In light of this thesis, we present a potentially feasible quantum-optical scheme that purports to enable superluminal signaling. FTLSDemon.docx
Raider5678 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I've copied and pasted it for everyone on here to read. Quasi-gedanken experiment challenging the no-signaling theorem Demetrios A. Kalamidas1,* 1Raith Nanolithography, 300 Jordan Rd, Troy, NY 12180 *Corresponding author. Email: demetrios.kalamidas@raithamerica.com Abstract. Kennedy [Philosophy of Science 62, 4 (1995)] has argued that the various quantum mechanical no-signaling proofs formulated thus far share a common mathematical framework, are circular in nature, and do not preclude the construction of empirically testable schemes wherein superluminal exchange of information can occur. In light of this thesis, we present a potentially feasible quantum-optical scheme that purports to enable superluminal signaling. Keywords. quantum information, quantum entanglement, no-signaling theorem PACS 03.65.Ta 1. Introduction The notion of quantum non-locality resides at the core of the interpretation of multi-particle entanglement ([1], [2], [3]) because of the great amount of empirical evidence, in support of this notion, that has been acquired thus far (mostly from the realm of quantum optics [4]). Nevertheless, the physical manifestations of quantum non-locality are constrained by seemingly robust theoretical precepts demanding that non-local effects cannot be used for the construction of any type of superluminal signaling protocol employing the quantum mechanical formalism (as it is currently understood). The theoretical arguments against superluminal exchange of information are articulated by way of ‘no-signaling theorems’ [5,6,7,8,9,10,11]. We will describe a potentially feasible quantum-optical scheme that purports to enable superluminal signaling. The quest for such a scheme was largely motivated by the critical analysis of the various no-signaling proofs by Kennedy [12], wherein he rigorously argues that they share a common mathematical framework and that they are, in fact, circular in nature (tautological), leaving a bit of room for the possibility of constructing superluminal signaling protocols within the context of non-relativistic quantum mechanics. We present a setup that can be viewed as a ‘quasi-gedanken experiment’, in the sense that most of its constituent devices are readily available and have been employed in many quantum-optical experiments, however the device that performs the crucial function has not been specified but, as will become evident, certainly appears to be within the reach of existing technology. 2. Experimental Proposal Consider the setup of Fig.1. An SPDC (spontaneous parametric down- conversion) source, S, of entangled photon pairs is pumped by a CW (continuous-wave) laser [4]. We assume that the pump intensity is low enough so that only single pairs of entangled photons are produced from S with any significant probability and, furthermore, that S is configured for degenerate, non-collinear emission of polarization-entangled photon pairs [4]. We can write the state emerging from S as | (||+||) , where H and V denote the horizontal and vertical linear-polarization states of an emitted photon, respectively; the subscripts A and B denote the two spatial modes of emission. Fig.1 depicts the presence of narrow-band spectral filters, F, whose narrow transmission band is centered on an energy that is half that of the pump photons. A detector, D, is situated immediately beyond each filter. Therefore, for each detected down-converted photon pair that made it past the filters, both of its constituent photons will be found to have the same energy (equal to half that of the pump photons). From Fig.1 we note that the photons propagating within the left wing of the setup first encounter a PBS (polarizing beam splitter) and then an HWP (half-wave plate). The PBS transmits H-polarized photons and reflects V-polarized photons, while the HWP flips the linear-polarization state. Thus, after the PBS and HWP, the state | transforms as follows: | (||+||) |. Focusing on the left wing of the setup, Fig.1 indicates a region, R, wherein we will postulate that a Demon resides. The Demon within R performs the following activity: For a certain time interval, he inserts a double-sided mirror (DSM) so that mode 1 is reflected into mode 2, and mode 2 is reflected into mode 1, each reflected mode acquiring a reflection phase-shift factor . Immediately afterwards, the Demon inserts, for the same time interval, a suitably chosen transparent phase plate (TPP) such that both transmitted modes, 1 and 2, each acquire a transmission phase-shift factor . The Demon repeats this switching action continuously. In (2), | represents the state beyond the PBS and HWP, as the left-propagating photon is about to enter region R. If the DSM is in place within R, the state beyond R becomes | (||+||) |. If the TPP is in place within R, the state beyond R becomes |(||+||) |. Now, before we can illustrate the purported superluminal-signaling potential of the setup, we must first impose specific requirements on parameters that characterize certain quantum-optical properties involved. In this light, we will assume a hierarchy of ‘realistic’ parameter-values for several aspects of the setup, gleaned from the plethora of quantum-optical entanglement experiments that have been carried out thus far: The coherence-time of the pump laser is taken to be infinite, since the pump laser is considered to be monochromatic; the coherence-time of the down-converted photons, emerging from the SPDC source, is taken to be around 0.1ps, since they are typically broad-band; the Demon’s switching interval, between the DSM and the TPP, is taken to be 1ps; the coherence-time of the down-converted photons that have been spectrally filtered by the narrow-band filters, F, is taken to be around 10ps. Once we have accepted these parameter-values, we can make the following assertion: Since the filters, F, have ‘stretched’ the coherence-time of the down-converted photons from 0.1ps (just before the filters) to 10ps (for the subset that has been spectrally filtered and propagates towards the respective detectors), the accuracy of their time-of-creation (within source S) is also limited to 10ps and thus it is not possible, even in principle, to determine if a left-propagating photon encountered the DSM or the TPP, since the switching interval is 1ps. This assertion demands that we must superpose the two indistinguishable possibilities leading to detections of down-converted photon pairs beyond the filters: |=(|+|) = (||+||) = (||+||), where | |. In (5), | represents the normalized state that will be subject to measurement (i.e., the state beyond the filters and just before the detectors). At this point it is essential to note the fact that expression (5) is non-standard, in the sense that it embodies a non-unitary transformation: Two orthogonal state vectors (| and |, pertaining to the left wing of the setup) induce a projection (upon their measurement) onto a single state vector (|, pertaining to the right wing of the setup). In addition to being non-standard, we must also stress that expression (5) was posited solely on the heuristic notion of quantum mechanical ‘indistinguishability’ and, therefore, it remains to be seen if this state-vector transformation is allowed by quantum optics (implying that there would have to exist latent elements in the Fock-space algebra that go beyond the standard Hilbert-space formalism). Indeed, the remarkable feature of |is that the right-propagating photon is always projected onto the linear-polarization state | regardless of whether its partner photon was detected in mode 1 or 2 (on the left wing of the setup). So, if the Demon performs the switching activity, then the state on the right wing of the setup is always found to be |, whereas if the Demon just held, say, the DSM fixed in place, then the state on the right wing of the setup would just be an incoherent 50/50 mixture of the|and| states (as can be inferred from (3), where the state | is explicitly shown). These two distinct states obtained on the right wing, as a function of the two specified behaviors of the Demon on the left wing, are in fact distinguishable by an observer on the right wing and, therefore, a protocol for superluminal signaling may be constructed. 3. Superluminal Signaling The Demon can encode the information bits ‘0’ and ‘1’ by defining a fixed time interval within which a batch of detections occur and, depending on what bit he wants to transmit, he chooses whether he will leave the DSM in place during the fixed time interval (‘0’ bit, resulting in measurement statistics on the right wing corresponding to the |/| incoherent mixture) or perform the switching activity during the fixed time interval (‘1’ bit, resulting in measurement statistics on the right wing corresponding to the pure state |). By concatenating any number of such fixed time intervals, the Demon, on the left wing, can transmit a message to the right wing of the setup. In order for the message to be truly superluminal, the fixed time interval chosen to manifest the ‘0’ or ‘1’ bit must be brief enough to ensure space-like separation between the left and right wings of the setup. In other words, the encoding of a bit (on the left wing) should be completed before any other causal signal can reach the right wing. Furthermore, we must stipulate that the detectors on the left and right wings of the setup are configured to properly record events: The two photons comprising each SPDC pair are created virtually simultaneously at a very localized (point-like) region within the source and their strict energy correlation (due to the CW monochromatic pump) ensures that a detection of a photon on the left wing will always be accompanied by the detection of its partner photon on the right wing, provided the detection ‘gate time’ and detector synchronizations are suitably chosen with respect to the SPDC emission rate and geometry of the setup. 4. Conclusion In conclusion, we have described a quantum-optical setup that purports to evade the constraints of the no-signaling theorem, allowing superluminal transmission of information. The setup appears to be feasible, but perhaps is best described as a quasi-gedanken experiment because of the, as yet, unspecified physical device that will perform the activity of the Demon. It remains to be seen if the scheme is flawed, or if it points to some deficiency in the standard quantum mechanical formalism, or if it indeed implies the existence of latent superluminal signaling protocols within the current theoretical framework of quantum mechanics [13,14]. References [1] Schroedinger, E., Naturwissenschaften 23, 807 (1935). [2] Einstein, A., Podolsky, B., and Rosen, N., Phys. Rev. 47, 777 (1935). [3] Bell, J., Physics 1, 195 (1964). [4] Tittel, W., and Weihs, G., Quantum Information and Computation 1, 3 (2001) [5] Ghirardi, C.G., Rimini, A., and Weber, T., Lettere al Nuovo Cimento 27, 293 (1980) [6] Bussey, P. J., Physics Letters A 90, 9 (1982) [7] Jordan, T. F., Physics Letters A 94, 264, (1983) [8] Shimony, A., The Foundations of Quantum Mechanics: in the Light of New Technology, Tokyo: Hitachi, Ltd. (1984) [9] Redhead, M., Incompleteness, Non-locality, and Realism, Oxford: Clarendon Press (1987) [10] Eberhard, P.H. and Ross, R.R., Foundations of Physics Letters 2, 127–149 (1989) [11] Sherer, H. and Busch, P., Physical Review A 47:3, 1647-1651 (1993) [12] Kennedy, J. B., Philosophy of Science 62, 4 (1995) [13] Srikanth, R., Pramana - J Phys 59:169 (2002) [14] Greenberger, D. M., Physica Scripta, T76 (1998)
swansont Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 That "the, as yet, unspecified physical device that will perform the activity of the Demon" does not exist is huge problem here. Build it, and then we'll talk.
Endy0816 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Yeah, have a feeling it is like Maxwell's demon.
mistermack Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I vaguely remember something about time travel being made possible by faster than light messaging. According to relativity, you can receive an answer to a message that you haven't yet sent. ( if I recall it correctly ). As this is clearly impossible, either the faster than light messaging will always be impossible, or relativity has a flaw in this regard. My memory is a bit hazy about the details but I'm sure others on here will be aware of it.
Strange Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 The tachyonic antitelephone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyonic_antitelephone
mistermack Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 It is a bit circular in nature. Faster than light communication causes a nonsense result, when put into relativity calculations. But relativity is based on nothing going faster than light. So IF faster than light messages were possible, the nonsense result would itself be suspect, as it's derived using a system that clearly would have a flaw somewhere in the current version. Having said that, I wouldn't be betting much on anything like that being the case.
Dionysus Posted August 19, 2017 Author Posted August 19, 2017 the 'nonsense' result is not guaranteed to occur.......there is no energy/momentum transferred here, so who says that we are in a relativistic domain? It may very well be that the nonlocality of entangled particles lies outside the purview of relativity. In that case, whoever makes the measurement 'first' (in an 'absolute' sense) is the sender, and the entangled state is 'projected' onto a definite state in just the same causal order as in any subluminal information-exchange scenario.......the 'signal' (if it even exists) may be instantaneous or superluminal-but-finite, only experiment or further theoretical discoveries will tell us that.
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