Reincarnation

[tragruk]

Few people know that. But the idea of reincarnation is millennial. In ancient India (more or less, about 20,000 years ago), when India, before the Jews and ancient Egypt, was already forming societies into classes, Indian scholars spoke of reincarnation (karma). In ancient Egypt the initiates spoke of reincarnation. The ancient Greeks knew reincarnation because of the Egyptians. And other societies. In the bible, either for preconception or interest, the word reincarnation was replaced by resurrection. Jesus, the Christ, spoke of reincarnation. The philosophy of reincarnation explains much apparent injustice: because one is born with cerebral palsy and other is born the god of beauty and wealth. What is reincarnation? It is when the soul is born and reborn on earth.

[Gees]

Tragruk;

Yes, the idea of reincarnation is very old, and there may be some validity to that idea. I believe it was Dr. Ian Stevenson, who studied it in the 1970's, but he studied it from a more scientific approach. If you search the internet and YouTube, you will find information on his work.

The problem, as I see it, is that you are hooking the idea to "karma" and "good/bad", or in short you are moralizing reincarnation. That makes it a religious issue, so you are in the wrong forum.

If you ask a moderator, I am sure that she/he will assist you in moving this thread to the correct forum.

Gee

[Handy andy]

1 hour ago, tragruk said:

Few people know that. But the idea of reincarnation is millennial. In ancient India (more or less, about 20,000 years ago), when India, before the Jews and ancient Egypt, was already forming societies into classes, Indian scholars spoke of reincarnation (karma). In ancient Egypt the initiates spoke of reincarnation. The ancient Greeks knew reincarnation because of the Egyptians. And other societies. In the bible, either for preconception or interest, the word reincarnation was replaced by resurrection. Jesus, the Christ, spoke of reincarnation. The philosophy of reincarnation explains much apparent injustice: because one is born with cerebral palsy and other is born the god of beauty and wealth. What is reincarnation? It is when the soul is born and reborn on earth.

Wrong forum, but I think you are mixing your religions, Buddhist rebirth or reincarnation has nothing to do with resurrection.

The resurrection comes from the concept of transmigration of sole from father to son. The Druze apparently believe in this practice and it likely comes from Egypt, whereby The father becomes the son on his death and passes all his worldy goods and power to his son along with his spirit. Or in terms of Christianity God sent the holy spirit to jesus, allowing him to speak for god or something like that. The fact that Jesus never existed is neither here or there in religion.

Under the forms of Buddhism that believe in rebirth you can just as easily be reborn as a worm as a human, its a random event. Many Buddhists don't believe in actual physical reincarnation of spirit sole or whatever else you might want to call it.

Life isn't fair why should it be, how one is born, and what family you are born into has nothing to do with fairness. You are dealt a set of cards at birth and have to play them the best way you can.  People are born with physical defects predisposition to mental illness etc, it is not their fault, it is just religions trying to explain things they don't understand that now with medication and who knows gene therapy in the future may be able to alleviate or even prevent and cure.

 

[Area54]

17 hours ago, tragruk said:

In ancient India (more or less, about 20,000 years ago), when India, before the Jews and ancient Egypt, was already forming societies into classes, Indian scholars spoke of reincarnation (karma)

"20,000 years ago" seems like an error. The Indus Valley civilisation dates to only 5,000 years ago. Underwater remains in the Gulf of Kutch and the Gulf of Cambay may be as old as 11,000 years, but I believe there are question marks around them. Any sites from 20,000 years ago are primitive neolithic examples. I do not know of any evidence for societies of the kind you suggest 20,000 years ago. Do you have some?

Edited August 19, 2017 by Area54