HonorableOne Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 8:48 PM 6/18/05 according to earthlings, Honor Seed telepathic entry: The consensus is among the gift is to first become aware of the telepathic reception of feelings before mindspeak or sentences as they are called when you receive air vibrations through the ears rather than receive brainwave vibrations which seem to be oblivious to the mass of flesh, bone and other assorted stuff before telepathic brainwaves reach the receiver. Who is to say that parents who have long ago suppressed or blocked words they heard in their minds from outside sources now send their kids the same telepathic message that are more open these days with parents? The child who hears voices also believes for the start what the parents suppressed or blocked. The show that ensues is a child that is open enough to note they are hearing voices. The kid is taken to a psychiatrist depending on how early in life the parents blocked the idea of knowledge that words thought in the mind cannot possibly be thought by another and a telepathic gift. The child questions the word or words heard as if they are speaking to her or him rather than sentences that match the emotionality of the child at that moment. A complicated analysis of my Theory on Telepathic Resolution, which I consider the 8th type of intelligence not recognized in the Harvard Zero study which identified 7 types of intelligence by studying young children over a length of time, cannot be proven without hypothesis testing. The older child who is sensitive thta people should take seriuosly the idea she or he is hearing words or sentences inside their mind and it's driving them kooky or nuts or crazy with stress, tension and anxiety should consider the possible sources. Either it is made up of another hidden part of the brain usually called a subconscious, or it comes from an external source. If it is coming from another part of the kids mind, how come he or she just started 'hearing' it. If the debate then goes to the explanation that it is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, then most people would settle for that explanation and not look any further. Consider this concept. What if telepathic incoming words and sentences are still an external source of energy that is proven existing called brainwaves and the only reason the kid received telepathic sentences is they did have a change in chemicals due to diet and other physical factors? So anyone would deduce, by scholarly debate that the words or sentences are actually chemical interactions along the neural network. I call these mindspeak. The chemical reactions that are new probably did not create the words. The chemical imbalance is probably creating a memory leak from which the child hears mindspeak that is stored memory. In other words, the kid heard it from themselves, another person, or television/radio. The memory also includes the emotional tone at the time the talker made the sentence. (In this case the childs memory of the parents saying that sentences that seemed to come from others is crazy would be somthing that would follow the curious feeling of hearing mindspeak) In any case I do not thnk that I had a 3-4 hour continuous conversation with myself because of a memory leak to previous sentences I heard. The conversation was unique and flowed back and forth one sentence apiece continually for many hours and it was for the most part friendly. In fact it was all friendly, there was one point at which I was challenged on whether or not I really believed the mindspeak was from an existence of a dimension different than physical science recognizes. Before I go any further. I can expect the common catchall, the usual reaction to come up, namely religeon. I do not explain telepathy in terms of hearing words from God unless you believe your parents and friends are God or God speaks through them. I explain telepathy or telepathic resolution in terms of a type of scientific study which has not developed proper hypothesis testing methods yet. The study of brainwaves tells us that they travel at least a measurable four feet. But are they transfered or amplified further by the fine silica crystals that float in the air? Do brainwaves travel in outerspace by another means. If brainwave signals can go through flesh and bone can they go through walls and even entire planets? Are theye a function of gravitational pull? Are they electromagnetic like the impulses on our synapses? Many people in early history saw faces and shapes before them. It is not without due consideration, that if people hear voices, they also see visions. What happens when a person sees an external brainwave sent memory of someone else is that they re simply receinving the memory of someone who saw someone else. During early history something like 2500 gods were carved, sculpted, drawn or storytold from avid recallers of their experience. The differnece between their belief and mine is there is a scientific explanation for their visions as well as mine, which number over 10,000 by the way, and I intend to find scientific researchers who will help me prove Telepathic Resolution Theory using hypothesis testing methods from this complicated analysis. Deductive reasoning does yield to the superstitious beliefs, taken in toto, that there are so many all powerful gods that all look different. Furthermore htere have been so many movies and books written on negative occurences I would be very skeptical hearing someone tell me they had a prophetic dream, vision or mindspeak session in which their end or the end of the earth was at hand. Calmer minds that study earth sciences probably realize the biggest threat is a comet hitting earth. We have the technology to blast a comet to smitherins before it gets here. So I'm not worried. Back to the subject of telepathy which is shared whether you believe in it or not. Back in the middle ages when plagues and fevers ran amok, the reasons for them happening was not known. The reasons for telepathy are not known. Like I stated before, doctors try to cure it with prescription meds. The difference between a brainwave barrage and a bacteria infestation of the air are two different things. Like some bacteria acn only be transfer my mutuaal touch, some telepathic sharing can only be acheived by touching, in most cases. This is not to say all people feel the type of telepathic signals that I am refering to. I am fefering to the fact that when Ifaced someone and we joined both hands, we both felt tingling on our scalp with our eyes closed. This issuance of fact and notice is a prelude to a recogntion you can reach a level where you know where everything is around you with your eyes closed. I have moved in very crowded areas blindfolded very fast without hitting or knocking anything over. This could have been a result of memory as I did not test myself in environs that I was not familar with. Indeed when I am in strange places in my dreams I may recognize that this collage of buildings I don't recognize is on familar roads I have travelled many times. The feeling of familiarity mixed with telepathic reception of other peoples visual memory makes for some of my dreams. Dreaming is a different state of telepathic sharing and is seemingly a story that takes longer than the actual time to dream the spontaneous story. My guess is dreams are as different as snowflakes, no two alike. My statement first started in response to an empath who posted in the psychiatry/psychology part of Science Forums. However, I would like to entertain the idea that the study of telepathy more closely examines the nature of the brains actual physical changes rather than the effects of mood or emotional feeling sensations which are commonly reduced by prescription medications rather than learning the physical cause. If mindspeak and visions that appear to be from external souces than why can I focus on one feeling look at somebody without them watching and they suddenly change their expression or move? If I have an overactive imagination with a bunch of memories bouncing around inside my head creating entertainment for me, than why when I stare at the back of some young children at the market do they suddenly turn and smile at me and say hello? Knowledge is gained by a curious and happy feeling in the mind. The detractors have fear and angry as emotions. Knowledge is lost in a society that is controlled by fear and anger. Entire civilizations have slowed development and even been ended as a result of fear and anger. This is by no means a complete statement of Telepathic Resolution Theory. However, if you do some of the groundwork of crosschecking the aspects of types of drives, intelligences, the three planar brainwave synapse movements of thinking, feeling and emotion, as well as the interaction of the various five senses within these interactions, and not forget to put into the mix the three types of memory retention, sound/words. mental images and tone/emotion you have started on what I have embarked on, the necessary rudiments to bring telepathic science into a category all its' own. The gift of awareness is there, it is yours to gain or forget about, your choice. Honor Seed honor@reachone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Have you figured out why there have been no responses yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Have you figured out why there have been no responses yet? Why there have been no written responses yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Ah! A very nice distinction, in both senses of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tree Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 LOL is this meant to be serious? Even shampoo adverts use real science as a starting point for thier bull, but this has less grounds than cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greentea Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 it might be not serious, but definitely sounds better than a shampoo advert. while i am quite sceptic, some phenomena like people turning around when you stare at their back seem quite common. the only 'scientific' explanation i can think of is coincidence and selective memory which accounts for a lot of superstitions. i have never heard of measuring 'brainwaves' (whatever is meant by this) though. however, i find speculating about this subject much more interesting than something like aliens, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettina Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Why there have been no written[/i'] responses yet. I just got it.....hahaha......stupid me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettina Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 The older child who is sensitive thta people should take seriuosly the idea she or he is hearing words or sentences inside their mind and it's driving them kooky or nuts or crazy with stress' date=' tension and anxiety should consider the possible sources. Either it is made up of another hidden part of the brain usually called a subconscious, or it comes from an external source. If it is coming from another part of the kids mind, how come he or she just started 'hearing' it. If the debate then goes to the explanation that it is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, then most people would settle for that explanation and not look any further.[/quote'] I can't make fun of you....yet, because this part I can attest to. The chemical imbalance in the brain is the first line the physcos try to remedy with me. Nothing has worked yet and soon I am going to tell them, and there medications, goodbye. I am beginning to believe that these "doctors" are not what they seem to be. Consider this concept. What if telepathic incoming words and sentences are still an external source of energy that is proven existing called brainwaves and the only reason the kid received telepathic sentences is they did have a change in chemicals due to diet and other physical factors? So anyone would deduce, by scholarly debate that the words or sentences are actually chemical interactions along the neural network. I call these mindspeak. Again, one physco talked to be about the neural network and wanted me to get an MRI. I told him no....but I am gathering data on this. However, "mindspeak" is a made up word so I am ignoring it. The chemical reactions that are new probably did not create the words. The chemical imbalance is probably creating a memory leak from which the child hears mindspeak that is stored memory. In other words, the kid heard it from themselves, another person, or television/radio. The memory also includes the emotional tone at the time the talker made the sentence. (In this case the childs memory of the parents saying that sentences that seemed to come from others is crazy would be somthing that would follow the curious feeling of hearing mindspeak) In any case I do not thnk that I had a 3-4 hour continuous conversation with myself because of a memory leak to previous sentences I heard. The conversation was unique and flowed back and forth one sentence apiece continually for many hours and it was for the most part friendly. In fact it was all friendly, there was one point at which I was challenged on whether or not I really believed the mindspeak was from an existence of a dimension different than physical science recognizes. I do not understand "other dimensions" and it sounds too much like science fiction, so I'm ignoring this part too. I also cut out the rest because its too long. My statement first started in response to an empath who posted in the psychiatry/psychology part of Science Forums. However, I would like to entertain the idea that the study of telepathy more closely examines the nature of the brains actual physical changes rather than the effects of mood or emotional feeling sensations which are commonly reduced by prescription medications rather than learning the physical cause. If mindspeak and visions that appear to be from external souces than why can I focus on one feeling look at somebody without them watching and they suddenly change their expression or move? If I have an overactive imagination with a bunch of memories bouncing around inside my head creating entertainment for me, than why when I stare at the back of some young children at the market do they suddenly turn and smile at me and say hello? I've had that happen to me in restaurants. I hear a small child crying. I'm a few tables back and on the other side of the aisle. I was staring at the back of him, and I could feel him. Then he turned and looked directly at me out of the dozens that were there and kept eye contact with me. I felt him more then. I know this part is true, but I want to know what he felt. Not science fiction for me. Knowledge is gained by a curious and happy feeling in the mind. The detractors have fear and angry as emotions. Knowledge is lost in a society that is controlled by fear and anger. Entire civilizations have slowed development and even been ended as a result of fear and anger. This is by no means a complete statement of Telepathic Resolution Theory. However, if you do some of the groundwork of crosschecking the aspects of types of drives, intelligences, the three planar brainwave synapse movements of thinking, feeling and emotion, as well as the interaction of the various five senses within these interactions, and not forget to put into the mix the three types of memory retention, sound/words. mental images and tone/emotion you have started on what I have embarked on, the necessary rudiments to bring telepathic science into a category all its' own. The gift of awareness is there, it is yours to gain or forget about, your choice. It's uncanny how close you've become to my realm. You still have my interest and I don't consider you a quack........yet. I would appreciate some GOOD data from scientists if you have any, and no religious stuff please. Bettina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncool Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 About the looking around then eye contact thing, two things: First, it's counting the hits and forgetting the misses -that is, you only remember when it happens, not when it doesn't. So you think that it happens more often than it does. Second, people look for eye contact. When they look around, and they see someone staring at them, the natural urge is to stare back. So your experience isn't very strange at all, Bettina. -Uncool- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greentea Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 that is what I meant by 'selective memory'. hope that is the right term. but totally rejecting any possibility for another explanation on this basis sounds a bit unscientific. I mean, how can you disprove that some event is random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonorableOne Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 The only reason I write volumes on what I do know is so I can remind myself of the volumes of stuff I don't know. One thing I do know is last night when 5 hours of laying half awake went by in a blur, it seems there were some reflective forces around me. I tryed not to take heed, for as soon as you start listening to the "little voices inside your head" the next thing you know every Tom, Dick and Harry, Mary, Sue and Jane is suddenly "that" little voice. And the last thing in this world I want is someone telling me what I'm thinking right after I think it because these reflective forces are very much in tune telepathically. Either that or the aura projected by my own mind creates another, unbeknownst to me, personality that revels in taking the credit for my thinking. It of course being linked telepathically to all other living entities, and probably a few dead ones too, in the universe. I think the best course of action, if possible, is to definitely bring the aura as close to your body as you can and live the dream. Trying to project your thoughts or feelings to others is like casting a fishing rod real hard with hooked bait, by the time its' out there and under water for the next 10 minutes or so, you start to wonder at what point the bait left the hook. Especially if your weeding the bottom of the lake and every snag feels like a bite. Perhaps fishing isn't the best analogy for telepathically sending a thought you expect an answer for, but as I address schools of thought not aware they even are listening to external input in the form of sentences and words in their heads, I marvel greatly at what mankinds' next alleged greatest acheivement will be about. This because there are so many great inventors with motivation and great thinkers who have great ideas out of the blue. What great thinker wants to admit that a common consciousness of let us say, several million peoples telepathic forces, created the spontaneous words that seem so ego fufilling to a great thinker. Possibly the older one gets the more these great words seem like wisdom or great knowledge. In actuality, some older people just has not taken the time to sit and reflect and slow their life down to receive these words. Better late than never. More children do not respond to telepathic feelings sent than do. The reason is because they are in a stronger bond with the parent who is with them. The parent is protective and chances are hteat kid will grow up being bothered when they sound like their parent. The tone of telepathic thoughts received is ingrained in the mind. Young kids who have parents who aren't so fearful and on the center road of healing are more likely to be aware of strangers feeling input. People box themselves up in their homes when they get depressed. Don't box yourself in, get out and talk. It is my opinion moving around and doing stuff, as well as moving around in public and thinking are more important for good health, physical and mental than people want to admit. It has to do with overcoming embarassment. Same thing as people who won't admit to having paranormal or metaphysical experiences, it has to do with being accepted and not being embarrassed. The question is, if someone consciously heard your thoughts and you knew it, would you be embarassed? What if the thoughts you had were telepathically received from one person and heard by another who thought they were your own thoughts? Original thinking and choosing which feeling you have at any given moment takes years. I felt stark raving fear for 3-4 hours straight on purpose. Then I stopped it on a dime with curious with no lasting problems. I then stopped it with anger. The problems with stopping fear with anger was after I stopped being angry, about 2 minutes later a butterfly flew by and I was suddenly angry. Other minor things happened that suddenly caused anger. The effect lessened as time went on. The point is the common reaction to fear is anger and this is a learned behavior. What person who receives a telepathic thought and is scared is not automatically going to react with anger. Emotions in the mind have a certain electro chemical pattern. If you are in the middle of an action and anger suddenly happens the tendency is to daydream. Telepathic reception is hidden by virtue of people simply not being aware of it, however the reaction anger from the fear not felt by the unknown surfaces and translates into a distracted state of mind. I'm glad I can stimulate the idea your subconscious is receiving telepathic thoughts and so many people appreciate being distracted. By the way, tin foil helmets don't block it. "Talking logically about feelings to people who try to feel logical is like working at a pig hatchery." - honor seed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tree Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 The only reason I write volumes on what I do knowis so I can remind myself of the volumes of stuff I don't know. One thing I do know is last night when 5 hours of laying half awake went by in a blur' date=' it seems there were some reflective forces around me.[/quote']Reflective forces? Refletion is what happens when something collides with something it can't go through or be absorbed by, nothing more nothing less. It's something that happens to forces, not an attribute of them ergo "reflective forces" is fictional jargon. And the last thing in this world I want is someone telling me what I'm thinking right after I think it because these reflective forces are very much in tune telepathically.In tune? In tune with what? These "forces" are vibrational now? Where are you getting this from? Either that or the aura projectedby my own mind creates another' date=' unbeknownst to me, personality that revels in taking the credit for my thinking. [/quote']Although the idea of an aura makes no sense, certainly not one being projected, you are on to something there. People do listen to themselves think and respond, hence the phrase "Quite that racket, I can't hear myself think" but that's just a consious way of making desisions easier nothing out of the ordinary unless it develops into multiple personality syndrome, which even then, isn't that odd. It of course being linked telepathically to all other living entities' date=' and probably a few dead ones too, inthe universe. [/quote']What do you mean by of course? I'm not asking for evidence here, just a logical process or a theory of how that would work. I think the best course of action, if possible, is to definitely bring the aura as close to your body as you can and live the dream.An aura is an emmision, so it moves continuosly and can't be close to something. Unless of course you're using the pathalogical definition, in which case, that has no set place anyway. In other words, you're not making any sense. Perhaps fishing isn't the best analogy for telepathically sending a thought you expect an answerfor' date=' but as I address schools of thought not aware they even are listening to external input in the form of sentences and words in their heads, I marvel greatly at what mankinds' next alleged greatest acheivement will be about.[/quote']Form of sentances doesn't follow. Sentences are part of a syntax. A form would be something like markings on paper of electromagnetic signals, something that exists in reality rather than just the abstract. This because there are so many great inventors with motivation and great thinkers who have great ideas out of the blue. What great thinker wants to admit that a common consciousness of let us say, several million peoples telepathic forces, created the spontaneous words that seem so ego fufilling to a great thinker. Possibly the older one gets the more these great words seem like wisdom or great knowledge. In actuality, some older people just has not taken the time to sit and reflect and slow their life down to receive these words.So what your saying is that every great thinker who ever lived, got thier ideas off of someone else? You're calling Plato and Einstien frauds? Who do you think you are to make such claims? More children do not respond to telepathic feelings sent than do. The reason is because they are in a stronger bond with the parent who is with them. The parent is protective and chances are hteat kid will grow up being bothered when they soundlike their parent. The tone of telepathic thoughts received is ingrained in the mind. So by mental assosiation' date=' these children ignore something that there is no evidence for or even suggestion of? All children like to make up stuff like this, it's comforting to have a sense of power over thier tiny fictional universe, when the real world always seems to have power over them, but this isn't something that should be coming from an adult. I felt stark raving fear for 3-4 hours straight on purpose. Then I stopped it on a dime with curious with no lasting problems. I then stopped it with anger. The problems with stopping fear with anger was after I stopped being angry, about 2 minutes later a butterfly flew by and I was suddenly angry. Other minor things happened that suddenly caused anger. The effect lessened as time went on. The point is the common reaction to fear is anger and this is a learned behavior. What person who receives a telepathic thought and is scared is not automatically going to react with anger. Emotions in the mind have a certain electro chemical pattern. If you are in the middle of an action and anger suddenly happens the tendency is to daydream. Telepathic reception is hidden by virtue of people simply not being aware of it, however the reaction anger from the fear not felt by the unknown surfaces and translates into a distracted state of mind. I'm glad I can stimulate the idea your subconscious is receiving telepathic thoughts and so many people appreciate being distracted. Seriously, don't try to find your own sollutions when there are professionals who have already found them, seek the help of councilers and physcologists, the social services are well equiped to deal with paranioa and what sounds like bipolar disorder. Local Churches are always willing to help people in a state of confusion this is the type of thing that people can and do get over.Good luck. 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Bettina Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 About the looking around then eye contact thing' date=' two things:First, it's counting the hits and forgetting the misses -that is, you only remember when it happens, not when it doesn't. So you think that it happens more often than it does. Second, people look for eye contact. When they look around, and they see someone staring at them, the natural urge is to stare back. So your experience isn't very strange at all, Bettina. -Uncool-[/quote'] I know exactly what you mean, but my "hits" as you call them come in two forms. The first are from people "checking me out" (the ones my dad gets annoyed at), people being curious, nosy, bored, or just making eye contact because eye contact is being made with you. I understand all of those. The other is very much different and I can't explain it. The "professionals" don't have a clue, and people who see things in black and white will never understand either. I'm not a quack and don't like quacks and thats why I'm very cautious of what people are trying to tell me. Bettina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettina Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I'm glad I can stimulate the idea your subconscious is receiving telepathic thoughts and so many people appreciate being distracted. By the way' date=' tin foil helmets don't block it.[/quote'] You haven't.... I read your posts, but I'm ignoring lots of it, because you are drawing your own conclusions. I've had this all my life, and now I want scientific data. I know what I sense, see, and feel, but I want data. I wish you the best of luck too. P.S. Your right about one thing. When I was little I wrapped my head with tin foil......but I was little then. Bettina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenoise Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Ummm I've never witness such a grand missuse of english vocabulary and grammar then in that first post. Serious, I couldn't even force myself to read more than two paragraphs without getting a headache. But maybe that's the trick use so many meaningless sentenses and it will force people to find their own meaning in it, making it sounds like you're actually saying much more than you are. Please if you mean to write sceince and expect people to respond then write like a normal human being. However if your intention is to write art, then call it poetry and leave it at that. Bettina: I'm amazed by your ability to reply so logically and intelligently to this "Honourable One" but I'd advise not to put much solace in what he's saying. He/She sounds either very metally troubled or just trying to give the impression of being much more intelligent than he is by (improperly) using a very flowery vocabulary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 So,,, any questions about WHY I moved here from Neuroscience forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettina Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Ummm I've never witness such a grand missuse of english vocabulary and grammar then in that first post.Serious' date=' I couldn't even force myself to read more than two paragraphs without getting a headache. But maybe that's the trick use so many meaningless sentenses and it will force people to find their own meaning in it, making it sounds like you're actually saying much more than you are. Please if you mean to write sceince and expect people to respond then write like a normal human being. However if your intention is to write art, then call it poetry and leave it at that. Bettina: I'm amazed by your ability to reply so logically and intelligently to this "Honourable One" but I'd advise not to put much solace in what he's saying. He/She sounds either very metally troubled or just trying to give the impression of being much more intelligent than he is by (improperly) using a very flowery vocabulary.[/quote'] I know, and I don't. I'm very careful of what I read here, but there are things you don't know about me and some of the things he says hit home with me. However, I want scientific data as to how one brain can understand another. If I'm not delusional, sick, or have a brain tumor, then I want to know what it is I have, and most of all, how to turn it off. And YT, I know this is the section where crazy people come. Bettina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the tree Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Bettina, of course you want scientific data, that's why we're all here, but you're clearly not going to get anything scientific from this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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