Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 What about the theory of light and the way the photons has a traversal displacement back and fort while propagating its wave ..what cause the displacement back and fort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Why do you think photons have a displacement back and forth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Strange said: Why do you think photons have a displacement back and forth? It because the source is in motion ( spin) like a radar doing a scrutiny in space ,,,and each photons tend to restore the straight path of the beam. (to note ,,that the first photon erected remains stable with the source . (no back and forth ) And I'd like to point out if photons add a rest mass light would not be possible ,,,and by the way the spin of the protons are parallel to the GF. and also ~ the first photon always has a negative one superposed . Edited October 3, 2017 by Roger Dynamic Motion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 What? Where do you get all this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 You should asked Einstein. the same question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: You should asked Einstein. the same question. Why? He never suggested something so random and incoherent. What is your source for this description of photon behaviour? Or did you make it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: What about the theory of light and the way the photons has a traversal displacement back and fort while propagating its wave ..what cause the displacement back and fort? No, hogwash...Light like all of the EMS, travels in transverse progressive waves. 43 minutes ago, Strange said: Why? He never suggested something so random and incoherent. What is your source for this description of photon behaviour? Or did you make it up? Some people seem to revel in their apparent notoriety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scherado Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: You should asked Einstein. the same question. A few weeks ago, I found a small book, 1934, Essays in Science, a collection of essays by Albert Einstein. It is one fine collection. I'll look through this for something about your topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 15 hours ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: What about the theory of light and the way the photons has a traversal displacement back and fort while propagating its wave ..what cause the displacement back and fort? What? The transverse directions to photon propagation are the directions of the electric and magnetic fields. The graphs that are shown give the amplitude of the fields. There is no motion or displacement in those directions. The field gets stronger and weaker with time and position. The fields can also change direction (i.e. not constrained to the x or y axis), in the case of having some amount of circular polarization. 14 hours ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: It because the source is in motion ( spin) like a radar doing a scrutiny in space ,,,and each photons tend to restore the straight path of the beam. (to note ,,that the first photon erected remains stable with the source . (no back and forth ) And I'd like to point out if photons add a rest mass light would not be possible ,,,and by the way the spin of the protons are parallel to the GF. and also ~ the first photon always has a negative one superposed . Double what? Negative one superposed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, swansont said: What? The transverse directions to photon propagation are the directions of the electric and magnetic fields. The graphs that are shown give the amplitude of the fields. There is no motion or displacement in those directions. The field gets stronger and weaker with time and position. The fields can also change direction (i.e. not constrained to the x or y axis), in the case of having some amount of circular polarization. Ah, you interpreted "back and forth" as side to side. I guess that makes more sense (well, as a possible misconception, at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Strange said: Ah, you interpreted "back and forth" as side to side. I guess that makes more sense (well, as a possible misconception, at least). I assumed "traversal" means transverse. I've observed it's a common misconception that photons travel a sinusoidal path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) On 10/4/2017 at 6:27 AM, swansont said: I assumed "traversal" means transverse. I've observed it's a common misconception that photons travel a sinusoidal path. yes i agree and i want to point out that photons are every where in space and they are not propagated from the source of light because light it self is only a Wave , connecting photons along the path formed by the wave and regarding the transverse path that can be explain from the fact that there is no rest in space and in fact the Earth is spinning no wave can be stable during its propagation from photon to photon that why photons have a Sinusoidal disturbance this is the best i can explain quickly,now 16 minutes ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: yes i agree and i want to point out that photons are every where in space and they are not propagated from the source of light because light it self is only a Wave , connecting photons along the path formed by the wave and regarding the transverse path that can be explain from the fact that there is no rest in space and in fact the Earth is spinning no wave can be stable during its propagation from photon to photon that why photons have a Sinusoidal disturbance this is the best i can explain quickly,now got to go later Edited October 5, 2017 by Roger Dynamic Motion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 23 minutes ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: yes i agree and i want to point out that photons are every where in space and they are not propagated from the source of light because light it self is only a Wave , connecting photons along the path formed by the wave and regarding the transverse path that can be explain from the fact that there is no rest in space and in fact the Earth is spinning no wave can be stable during its propagation from photon to photon that why photons have a Sinusoidal disturbance this is the best i can explain quickly,now Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you have any evidence at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 32 minutes ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: yes i agree and i want to point out that photons are every where in space and they are not propagated from the source of light because light it self is only a Wave , connecting photons along the path formed by the wave and regarding the transverse path that can be explain from the fact that there is no rest in space and in fact the Earth is spinning no wave can be stable during its propagation from photon to photon that why photons have a Sinusoidal disturbance this is the best i can explain quickly,now My point was that photons do not travel a sinusoidal path. The transverse axes is the graphs are amplitudes of the fields. The E and B fields get stronger and weaker at regular intervals. There is no transverse path. One problem with "light is a wave connecting photons" is how do you account for single photons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Strange said: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you have any evidence at all? 3 minutes ago, swansont said: My point was that photons do not travel a sinusoidal path. The transverse axes is the graphs are amplitudes of the fields. The E and B fields get stronger and weaker at regular intervals. There is no transverse path. One problem with "light is a wave connecting photons" is how do you account for single photons? is how do you account for single photons? Clarified please. photons or photon Edited October 5, 2017 by Roger Dynamic Motion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: is how do you account for single photons? Clarified please. photons or photon There are multiple experiments (which is why the plural, photons, was used) where a single photon is present. How can that be, if you need a wave to create a path? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, swansont said: There are multiple experiments (which is why the plural, photons, was used) where a single photon is present. How can that be, if you need a wave to create a path? to the best of my understanding the wave comes from the expansion of the source the tungsten compressing space creating its own gravitational field the same way the presence of the Earth has created it own gravitational field witch is inversely proportional to its sises (diameter ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: to the best of my understanding the wave comes from the expansion of the source the tungsten compressing space creating its own gravitational field the same way the presence of the Earth has created it own gravitational field witch is inversely proportional to its sises (diameter ) Again, any evidence for this? Or is it just a fairy tale that you have made up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 well I have build a mechanical model representing photons has particles and I observe ; when there is no expansion of the source no wave can be propagated and the possibility to connect with the photons vanished also . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, Roger Dynamic Motion said: well I have build a mechanical model representing photons has particles and I observe ; when there is no expansion of the source no wave can be propagated and the possibility to connect with the photons vanished also . Then it is not a realistic model of photons. I don't see how a mechanical model can represent quantum behaviour. In fact, I am fairly sure it can be proved to be impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, Strange said: Then it is not a realistic model of photons. I don't see how a mechanical model can represent quantum behaviour. In fact, I am fairly sure it can be proved to be impossible. With out malice ,,,, Ignorance is the key to impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Roger Dynamic Motion said: With out malice ,,,, Ignorance is the key to impossible. Then you should study, fix your ignorance and learn what is possible. Ignorance and making stuff up is very rarely productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Dynamic Motion Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Strange said: Then you should study, fix your ignorance and learn what is possible. Ignorance and making stuff up is very rarely productive. No comment ! Strange have a good day Edited October 5, 2017 by Roger Dynamic Motion -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 How odd. You want to state your "theory" but you don't want to provide any evidence or discuss it. Are you so convinced that you are right that you think people should just believe you with no reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 These connected waves ,do they represent the statistically probable locations of the electric and magnetic fields over time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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