I hate to say goodbye...

[Sensei]

55 minutes ago, koti said:

Sittin in Hell with Phi sounds a lot better than spending time in Heaven with morons.

Heaven is morons free.. I assure you..

If somebody cannot create antimatter by himself/herself, is definitely not ready...

Only 'enlighten' can go to heaven..

If you can create entire new Universe, from scratch, you are ready...

... but you don't have to.. you can jump in your newly created parallel Universe instead...

 

Edited December 27, 2017 by Sensei

[koti]

28 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Heaven is morons free.. I assure you..

Phew... thanks for your assurance, it makes me feel safe and warm & fuzzy inside

[dimreepr]

2 hours ago, Strange said:

And it’s not dumb to think you have invented a black hole gun?

I invented one when I was twelve but I wasn't dumb enough to think I could fire it. 

Edited December 27, 2017 by dimreepr

[Phi for All]

3 hours ago, Vmedvil said:

whomever split that all into the trash can go to hell.

I had to read your piratical attempt to commandeer someone else's thread and make it all about YOUR IDEA. Haven't I been through enough?! 

There are times when moderator judgement comes into play, but this certainly isn't one of them. It's never going to be OK to force a pet theory as a mainstream solution here, not even in Specuations. That's hijacking someone else's thread, and it's against the rules you agreed to, but haven't obeyed very well. 

I think you need a place like this that forces you to be more rigorous and build your ideas methodically, but you want to treat us like all the "anything goes" science discussion sites. I think you need to decide what's best for you. And if you decide to stay here, you will abide by the rules. You will stop melting down about rule enforcement, stop sending malicious PMs, and stop abusing the Report system. 

Alternatively, since you've told us all you're leaving, we can shut the door behind you. That will also be a solution. 

[John Cuthber]

On 08/11/2017 at 10:42 PM, pzkpfw said:

A motorcycling forum I read has a policy where if someone makes an "I'm leaving" post, they immediately get banned. (Their posts don't get deleted.)

The policy works.

Sounds like a fine idea.

[Moontanman]

3 hours ago, Vmedvil said:

Lol, Swan is one of the good mods, whomever split that all into the trash can go to hell.

Swansont is a good mode? Damn my whole world has been shaken to the very core of my being... 

[koti]

33 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Swansont is a good mode? Damn my whole world has been shaken to the very core of my being... 

Right? Vmedvil with this is swimming right into a sharks mouth screaming I love sharks!

[Vmedvil]

You know what, For a reason way different than any of this,  I will stay, for only this reason, would you rather have a bunch of people that just blindly accept something as fact or would tell you that you are wrong. Well, honestly the people that would tell you that you are wrong due to the fact that, that it actually takes effort and courage.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[koti]

17 minutes ago, Vmedvil said:

You know what, For a reason way different than any of this,  I will stay for only this reason would you rather have a bunch of people that just accept it as fact or would tell you that you are wrong, Well, honestly the people that would tell you that you are wrong due to the fact that, that actually takes effort.

I thought you might have taken me on my suggestion to go running but instead it looks like you had a drink. Translation - I can’t make out what you mean.

[iNow]

He's saying the only reason people here so completely and consistently refute his points (as opposed to recognizing how profoundly brilliant and paradigm shifting they truly are) is because we're all bobble-heads blindly following the orthodoxy and we lack enough courage to honestly explore challenges to the system.

He's full of shit, but that's the point he seems to be making.

[Vmedvil]

11 minutes ago, iNow said:

He's saying the only reason people here so completely and consistently refute his points (as opposed to recognizing how profoundly brilliant and paradigm shifting they truly are) is because we're all bobble-heads blindly following the orthodoxy and we lack enough courage to honestly explore challenges to the system.

He's full of shit, but that's the point he seems to be making.

No, I was saying it takes no thought to blindly accept something, it takes thought and effort to refute something.

[zapatos]

It also takes no thought to blindly refute something, whereas it does take thought and effort to accept something.

[StringJunky]

 

Just now, zapatos said:

It also takes no thought to blindly refute something, whereas it does take thought and effort to accept something.

I think we see more of what you are saying than vice versa. They cant stomach the scientific consensus so they feel they have to make up their own explanation.

[studiot]

15 hours ago, Vmedvil said:

I am leaving, Some of the Mods can go take a long walk off a short cliff. I will not be back EVER! Don't ever use any of my models or Creations that are posted here or I will get you for copyright infringement in federal court or Patent Infringement.

17 U.S. Code § 501 - Infringement of copyright

35 U.S. Code § 271 - Infringement of patent

 

 

 

 

 

So am I now safe to view this site without sunshades again?

 

[Mordred]

19 hours ago, Vmedvil said:

I am leaving, Some of the Mods can go take a long walk off a short cliff. I will not be back EVER! Don't ever use any of my models or Creations that are posted here or I will get you for copyright infringement in federal court or Patent Infringement.

17 U.S. Code § 501 - Infringement of copyright

35 U.S. Code § 271 - Infringement of patent

 

 

 

 

No worries there.

[koti]

14 minutes ago, Mordred said:

No worries there.

It is an end of an 18 hours of work day for me here and I have to say that this coming from Mordred is going to make my sleep a lot lighter for me 

Edited December 28, 2017 by koti

[beecee]

On 12/27/2017 at 4:37 PM, Vmedvil said:

I am leaving, Some of the Mods can go take a long walk off a short cliff. I will not be back EVER! Don't ever use any of my models or Creations that are posted here or I will get you for copyright infringement in federal court or Patent Infringement.

 

On 11/7/2017 at 9:32 AM, cladking said:

No, I'm leaving because I've essentially been banned for speaking the truth.  It seems most people here only like to see truth when it agrees with their own understanding of science.  Not even simple physics can be accepted when spoken by a "crackpot".  

Let me make a few points that at times I have made before in my time on this forum. Of course being an amateur and non scientist you can chose to treat my points with whatever contempt you think they deserve. 

[1] This is a science forum. [2] All incumbent scientific theories start out as speculation or hypothetical in nature. [3] As evidence builds up supporting a particular theory, and as it is successfuly making correct predictions, it grows in certainty. [4] All incumbent scientific theories are being continually put to the test everyday. [5] Any person that believes he has some alternative to an incumbent theory, needs to "run the gauntlet" just as any incumbent theory has also run the gauntlet. [6] While science forums such as this are great discussion platforms, no incumbent model will ever be invalidated on any forum, and no alternative hypothetical, will ever displace that incumbent model. [7] There is a professional proper peer review system where any possible alternative hypothetical can be examined, researched, and either  dismissed or accepted. [8] Any accepted model will of course need to explain and model existing observations better then the incumbent model, and/or explain further any limitation of that incumbent model. [9] Forums such as this are in the public domain and therefor open to any and all manner of kooks, cranks, and any number of variety ailments such as "delusions of grandeur" "tall poppy syndrome" "excess baggage and agendas"  including god botherers, that will do whatever is needed to further their personal anti science campaign, as in the main, science has removed their necessity for any deity or god. [10] On most occasions this conglomeration of anti science brigade will have been banned on one or more science forums elsewhere.

Edited December 28, 2017 by beecee

[steveupson]

Of course, Mach and Gödel would be banished from this place under these conditions.

There is that, too.

[Strange]

1 hour ago, beecee said:

[2] All incumbent scientific theories start out as speculation or hypothetical in nature.

And, unlike many "personal theories" presented on science forums, they are based on pre-existing theories and evidence.

1 hour ago, beecee said:

[5] Any person that believes he has some alternative to an incumbent theory, needs to "run the gauntlet" just as any incumbent theory has also run the gauntlet

I think this is a key point that is often missed. The current "dogma" had to earn its place. And continuously fight to maintain it (your point [4]).

Also worth noting, that the big prizes and fame go to those who challenge and change currently accepted physics.

And, many young students have the same desire to overthrow the status quo as those who present their ideas on science forums. The students are better equipped to do that. Which means they are also better equipped to destroy 99.99% of their own ideas with a little thought and back-of-the-envelope calculation. 

1 hour ago, beecee said:

[7] There is a professional proper peer review system where any possible alternative hypothetical can be examined, researched, and either  dismissed or accepted

 I am not a scientist, but I get the impression that this can be just as brutal as the critiques of personal theories on forums like this. If not more so, because they take place with a level of rigour and detail analysis we rarely see here.

25 minutes ago, steveupson said:

Of course, Mach and Gödel would be banished from this place under these conditions.

There is that, too.

Don't believe it. They might get a hard time. But then they did from their peers. (See comment above.)

[steveupson]

1 hour ago, Strange said:

And, unlike many "personal theories" presented on science forums, they are based on pre-existing theories and evidence.

I think this is a key point that is often missed. The current "dogma" had to earn its place. And continuously fight to maintain it (your point [4]).

Also worth noting, that the big prizes and fame go to those who challenge and change currently accepted physics.

And, many young students have the same desire to overthrow the status quo as those who present their ideas on science forums. The students are better equipped to do that. Which means they are also better equipped to destroy 99.99% of their own ideas with a little thought and back-of-the-envelope calculation. 

 I am not a scientist, but I get the impression that this can be just as brutal as the critiques of personal theories on forums like this. If not more so, because they take place with a level of rigour and detail analysis we rarely see here.

Don't believe it. They might get a hard time. But then they did from their peers. (See comment above.)

got that right

[StringJunky]

16 hours ago, steveupson said:

got that right

It's not what you are that matters, it's what you say and how you support it. You don't see the professional specialists here, arguing from authority, and saying "Shut up, I'm a scientist".

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, StringJunky said:

It's not what you are that matters, it's what you say and how you support it. You don't see the professional specialists here, arguing from authority, and saying "Shut up, I'm a scientist".

I think this is what makes us scientists (amateur), this mindset where you use your head first before following your heart. And we're grateful for the actual working scientists who keep our feet on the path and share the insights they gain from daily implementation of proper methodology. 

[StringJunky]

7 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

I think this is what makes us scientists (amateur), this mindset where you use your head first before following your heart. And we're grateful for the actual working scientists who keep our feet on the path and share the insights they gain from daily implementation of proper methodology. 

Yes, they are good tutors for those that will follow their example. It does takes quite long time, as a neophyte, to alter ones approach but it's worth it. 

[Moontanman]

I have learned so much on this forum it's almost embarrassing to think back before the net. I see people who come here wanting to teach us some pet theory and yet refusing to learn the basics of reality. I like all the mods... well except for that James Bond guy  . Being willing to seek the truth is far more important than claiming to know it...  

[Phi for All]

28 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

I have learned so much on this forum it's almost embarrassing to think back before the net.

QFT.