Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 So you need the Langevian for SU(2) easily done while I'm getting that here is the ghost for entanglement application https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.08351.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Found one. Many Entangled QE Here, now we can do the others parts. Well, I got alot of fusing to do and yes it is kinda like a molecular bond, this is actually it for many particles. Then I forget if I pulled this through Klein or Dirac. 20 minutes ago, Mordred said: So you need the Langevian for SU(2) easily done while I'm getting that here is the ghost for entanglement application https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.08351.pdf Okay, I will need your help on this, if i pulled this through Schrodinger do I use Klein or Dirac? Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Klein the Dirac is the U(1) gauge without relativistic pull through Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mordred said: Klien This equation is about to get really big again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) yeppers lol I'll let you work on it my advice study materials specific to those three groups it will have all the Langevians and symmetries you will need for the SM model Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, Mordred said: yeppers lol I'll let you work on it my advice study materials specific to those three groups it will have all the Langevians and symmetries you will need for the SM model Secondly what does Re mean? never seen that variable before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Good question that one isn't common to normal QFT treatments can you pin that arxiv so I can study it before I answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) I did above the pictures but i will do it again.https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1509/1509.02442.pdf Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) this the right paper title? Spin-polarized supercurrents for spintronics: a review of current progress ooops no wrong paper typed in wrong found it let me look through it https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1509/1509.02442.pdf As per our PM convo its specific to this papers application as electron radius Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mordred said: this the right paper title? Spin-polarized supercurrents for spintronics: a review of current progress ooops no wrong paper typed in wrong found it let me look through it https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1509/1509.02442.pdf As per our PM convo its specific to this papers application as electron radius I found out what Re means Reynolds number we were both wrong found it on a equation picture. Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) D'oh ok forgot all about that number roflmao that makes far more sense lmao Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Mordred said: D'oh ok forgot all about that number roflmao Still better than me, I have never seen it before and why is it in a QE equation if for fluids. Wow, this is going to take me a minute to merge all this into this equation. Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) the paper is a multi particle treatment not a single particle treatment in entangled states which in turn will generate internal turbulent flows and and be self interfering. Hence they are using hydrodynamics to describe the internal multi particle state its an approximation of the internal state forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number either way its not the paper you want for the Langevian treatment What Langeevian are you specifically looking for (entangled states)? Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Alright we will start here Transform into Ghost Field, δμ =((Lghost QE - gfabc(δμ (c-bar)a)Aμbcc) / (c-bar)aδμca) ∇'(x,y,z,t,ωs,ωp,M,I,k,φ,S,X,Z,μ,Y) = (Ĥs((|(Log(DgDaDψDφ-W)(((2ħGC2))Rs - (1/4)FaμvFaμv + i(ψ-bar)γμ(((Lghost QE - gfabc(δμ (c-bar)a)Aμbcc) / (c-bar)aδμca) + ig(1/2)τWμ + ig'(1/2)YBμ)ψi +(ψ-bar)iLVijφψjr + (aji) - (μ2((φ-sword)φ) + λ((φ-sword)φ)2)/-(((Lghost QE - gfabc(δμ (c-bar)a)Aμbcc) / (c-bar)aδμca) + ig(1/2)τWμ + ig'(1/2)YBμ)2)|)-e2S(r,t)/h)) - ((Erest/C2)ωs(Guv - Ruv/-guv)1/2 + (S/ (((3G(Erest/C2))/2C2Rs3)(RpVp) + (GIs/C2Rs3)((3Rp/Rs2)(ωp Rp) -ωp ))))Rs2/2))) / (ħ2/2(Erest/C2))))1/2(((1-(((2(Erest/C2)G / Rs) - (Isωs(Guv - Ruv/-guv)1/2 + (S/(((3G(Erest/C2))/2C2Rs3)(RpVp) + (GIs/C2Rs3)((3Rp/Rs2)(ωp Rp) -ωp )))))/2(Erest/C2))+ (((8πG/3)((g/(2π)3)∫(((Erelativistic2 - Erest2 / C2) + ((Ar(X) + (ENucleon binding SNF ε0 μ0 /mu) - Ar(XZ±)/Z) / mu)2)(1/2)(1/e((ERelativistic - μchemical)/TMatter)±1)(ħωs + ħωs) - ((ksC2)/ Rs2) + (Guv - Ruv/-guv)1/2(ΔKiloparsec)))2/(C2)))1/2) 22 minutes ago, Mordred said: the paper is a multi particle treatment not a single particle treatment in entangled states which in turn will generate internal turbulent flows and and be self interfering. Hence they are using hydrodynamics to describe the internal multi particle state its an approximation of the internal state forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number either way its not the paper you want for the Langevian treatment What Langeevian are you specifically looking for (entangled states)? entangled states yes, for Lghost QE I am explaining entanglement as a ghost particle. Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Then that's the one I would use for the Ghosts and entanglement http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Faddeev-Popov_ghosts https://pure.tue.nl/ws/files/3500680/727432508244297.pdf OK BRST quantification that changes things lol the last two links helps now I'm following you better. In particular thee Lorentz gauge on the last paper. Interesting idea be interesting to see Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Mordred said: Then that's the one I would use for the Ghosts and entanglement Doesn't it make sense that QE is a virtual particle, I was thinking it did. Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Vmedvil said: Doesn't it make sense that QE is a virtual particle, I was thinking it did. Careful there you might want to look at what the definition of Operator and Propogator entails https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_(mathematics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagator#Non-relativistic_propagators for Feyman path integrals the propagators are your S-matrix internal lines with the operators being the real particle states Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mordred said: Careful there you might want to look at what the definition of Operator and Propogator entails ya, it will be fine because they are (1/2) with antiparticle (-1/2) spin for the virtual exchange of this, so it is fine with last EQ in this picture, we will just use the Feynmann propagator equation. Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) The reason for the caution is its not always correct to associate VP as a propogator. We have to watch that when using field treatments as opposed to QM. It depends on how the two are defined in the treatments applied Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Mordred said: The reason for the caution is its not always correct to associate VP as a propogator. We have to watch that when using field treatments as opposed to QM Well, it checks out in feymann lets see the Operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Not saying it doesn't but its safer to use the propogator/ operator terminology particularly when you deal with Strings as one example. It was just a word of caution to be careful when using different treatments. Lets put it this way VP is associated with the propagator but the propagator is not VP Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mordred said: Not saying it doesn't but its safer to use the propogator/ operator terminology particularly when you deal with Strings as one example Ya, the Operator checks too, its fine, they will just be out of phase, or phaseshifted virtual particles. BRST quantization Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) k good enough always have to check that you don't run into that conflict there is procedures to downgrade or upgrade propagators and operators Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Vmedvil if your planning on introducing the BRST action treatments to Yang Mill and Dirac actions which does have validity. Your going to have to literally start from scratch to properly build your model. I've been reading up on the BRST treatments out there and can see the viability but I can also see numerous potential conflicts if you don't step back. It is a literally a separate quantization methodology and as such should be taken from its rudimentary groups forward. It is quite possible to fully develop a model using this methodology but must be done properly to get it to work. Its never a valid policy to mix treatments. I'm seriously hoping you already realize that critical detail as it redefines how bosonic and fermionic action is handled. Edited December 6, 2017 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmedvil Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mordred said: Vmedvil if your planning on introducing the BRST action treatments to Yang Mill and Dirac actions which does have validity. Your going to have to literally start from scratch to properly build your model. I've been reading up on the BRST treatments out there and can see the viability but I can also see numerous potential conflicts if you don't step back. It is a literally a separate quantization methodology and as such should be taken from its rudimentary groups forward. It is quite possible to fully develop a model using this methodology but must be done properly to get it to work. Its never a valid policy to mix treatments. I'm seriously hoping you already realize that critical detail as it redefines how bosonic and fermionic action is handled. Well, ya but there was a δμ in that neutrino EQ, which says this compatible with the Standard Model, or why would δμ be there to define? That screams ghost operator. It went Schrodinger,Schrodinger,Standard Model Particles , Standard model Neutrino, Yang Mills Ghost. (SU(3) , SU(3), SU(3) ,U(1) × SU(2) , SU(x)) It is still Schrodinger solved at Laplace operator, that why I asked why version to use to be compatible with Schrodinger. So, it was solved at a SU(3). It says here it is fine. Yang–Mills theory is a gauge theory based on the SU(N) group, or more generally any compact, reductive Lie algebra. Yang–Mills theory seeks to describe the behavior of elementary particles using these non-Abelian Lie groups and is at the core of the unification of the electromagnetic and weak forces (i.e. U(1) × SU(2)) as well as quantum chromodynamics, the theory of the strong force (based on SU(3)). Thus it forms the basis of our understanding of the Standard Model of particle physics. You already used a Klein solution down in your part, if I cannot put the Klein version on this in that we have greater problems than that, though my Quaternion Four Current SR is starting to get full, we have stuck it full of so many variables and dimensions I have never got it this full before. At this point we will just have to be careful, the Quaternion will break if we go above its max of SU(3) in this part, we cannot go SU(N) like Yang-mills, but we can do a SU(3) yang mills max. So, the Ghost field Ca(x) cannot go above x = 3 or it will fracture at the couple to the Quaternion of Schrodinger EQ. Which may be even lower depending on if that is SU(1) or SU(2) that variable for that Neutrino if it is 1 then x = 1 is max and if SU(2) then x=2 is max for the ghost field, which I think that is the SU(1) part so, it cannot got above x = 1, so 1 dimension that is not already included. Edited December 6, 2017 by Vmedvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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