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Hello!  I'm an amateur researcher. I would like to hear, what can you say about a model, which I've made and which explains the interaction between space weather and circulation of airmasses in the atmosphere. I've tried to base it only on officially approved knowledge, but as I am just an amateur, I would love to hear some professional opinion. Model is based on the laws of magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) and supported by scientific publications. Shortly speaking, orientation of IMF sector determines the direction of current during a process, known as flux transfer event (fte). Flux tubes form along open magnetospheric field lines and create a physical pressure on atmosphere - what affects directly air currents. I would like to know, what should I do (or who should I ask), to validate my research and make it more official (for now it's rather a kind of hobby). Here are couple of my movies, in which I explain the mechanics of this interaction:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qW3lQACn0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YPqreh4TFhI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJC_-MM6MmM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxQw0LNYfE

And here's some supporting material:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_transfer_event

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes

http://www.igpp.ucla.edu/public/THEMIS/SCI/Pubs/Nuggets/FTE_nugget/themis nugget.html

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Ok well the first question I have to ask is how did you generate these simulations under the math which would be required to program them ?

These details would be a required part to validate any physics based model. Any physicist would want to see the mathematical details and the simulations as secondary.

 

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Well, you can run a MHD simulation on most of computers, if you know a bit about matlab. Generally, everything is fully consistent with officially approved knowledgde I can copy and paste all the formulas, if you insist. But entire process can be explained with the basic rules of electromagnetism...

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I don't think you understand my meaning. There is already 100's of papers involving electromagnetism and atmospheric influence..

 They all include the mathematical details typically described under vector field treatments with such aspects such as the Poynting vector. Any physicist already knows how to use Matlab and such tools. That isn't what they want.

What they will want is how you put all the equations together to generate the simulation. They will want a complete list of every equation you used. They will also want references involving said equations.

Posted (edited)

Its already known it can be done, there is already a huge body of researchers already doing so. Which is precisely my point. How does your modelling add to the studies already available. How does it differ?

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/53852/Golding-2016-ApJ-817-125.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjcjoDZjpLYAhVL8mMKHR0hBII4ChAWMAF6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw1V58LlCE8ynm0vaxl5OGmK

Here is an example, each atmosphere contains different compositions. These composition variations and densities are also involved.

for example ask the question. How would electronagnetism affect the atmosphere of Mars compared to Earth or Jupiter. Every charged particle species will be affected on its helicity via the Poynting vector as to how it will respond to an electromagnetic field.

 You asked how you can advance your research that is one approach. Looking at how atmospheric compositions are affected in terms of the charged particles that make up said atmosphere.

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Since mars has most likely rather thin atmosphere and very weak magnetic field, disturbances of IMF have probably much stronger effects - causing downbursts, tornadoes and strong horizontal flows. According to my model, you can predict the behavior of airmasses, by modeling the orientation of IMF and space weather activity. I don't know, if there's already a working model of such correlation. I can't write the code, but I can explain the mechanics of this process...

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That is precisely my point, and yes there is such papers that apply to Mars.

Here is a 161 page dissertation paper on how Titan affects Saturn with some details on MHD  simulations. There is a huge body of papers most of these took me less than 30 seconds a piece to locate.

There is literally specialized software codes developed just to apply MHD on different atmospheres. CO^5BOLT being one of them.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://helda.helsinki.fi/bitstream/handle/10138/23333/hybridmo.pdf%3Bsequence%3D2&ved=2ahUKEwi4pMHSkpLYAhVX9WMKHZNtA0gQFjAFegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1GTc9H48vldhivpaNQrqOh

This is what your competing with.

You stated your a researcher, the information is available on the Web. Look through the available papers and study the mathematical techniques and physics that went into developing these techniques.

(this isn't even my field of study but it is already apparent I know more about the advances of MHD in terms of atmosphere influences than you have shown)

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According to current knowledge, the only way, in which space weather affects the climate, is by regulating the density of cosmic rays. I use the geomagnetic field, to model air currents in atmosphere, by connecting them directly. Science tells, that influence of solar wind ends on ionosphere, as it cuts out all the plasma currents - but field lines pass through the ionosphere and affect the currents in lower parts of atmosphere. 

"This is what your competing with"

I'm not competing with them - I've just pointed them out, what to do, in order to use the same model, to better understand the weather here on Earth, not on Saturn. I'm just connecting all the dots. There's nothing more to discover, you just need to put it all together - and that's what I do... Somehow, I'm still probably the first one, who decscribed a flux tube in the lower atmosphere... 

This was published just couple months ago...

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/4/045032/pdf

This is from 2013

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/4/045001

I think, that there's only one reason, why no one still didn't try to put it together - they would have to resign from the human made climate change and blame the possibly upcoming geomagnetic reversal. Open magnetospheric field lines create polar vorticity, which regulates the flow of air over entire globe. Displacement of magnetic poles causes the displacement of polar cups. 

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It's happening right now and is responsible for most of weather anomalies...

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I can add more posts...:/
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1 hour ago, Unified Field said:

there's only one reason, why no one still didn't try to put it together - they would have to resign from the human made climate change and blame the possibly upcoming geomagnetic reversal

Any presumption that climate scientists are incompetent and that the science linking greenhouse gases to global average temperatures and climate is fundamentally flawed is going to fail - because they are not incompetent and there is no evidence they dismiss or reject any genuine and demonstrable influences on climate. Take care that you do not fall into the mistake of dismissing out of hand any genuine and demonstrable influences - like Greenhouse Effect and atmospheric aerosols and surface albedo changes in order to support your hypothesis, which you have not yet demonstrated to be a significant, let alone more significant influence than they are.

 

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I've come across flux tubes before with regards to weather. Like I stated this isn't my experrtise which is cosmology applications. Anyways You will still need some form of paper to validate yoir research. Thats something that is pretty much unavoidable.

The other links is more to provide examples. As well as to demonstrate that there is most likely far better references to use than the ones you posted.

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For some reason I can't post any comments, so I've made a second account :) 

Here's my hand-drawn interpretation of geomagnetic field and atmospheric currents

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Red shows open magnetospheric field lines, blue is for negative and yellow for positive currents. I've marked only couple flux tubes... I'm pretty sure, that a computer model would make it better. But you don't need a computer code, to understand the mechanics. This is why MHD is so awseome - it can be applied to all environments from micro- to macroscale. You don't even have to prove anything, because MHD is not a theory. But if you ask for references, there's plenty...

https://books.google.pl/books?id=bZm3efIPqF0C&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=geomagnetic+storm+sea+level+pressure&source=bl&ots=E__a6fjZ5m&sig=l2Mk-K-9DUvrYp5cPjuYkJxgptY&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWqLn6v-HWAhXCEVAKHfs_BPQQ6AEISzAH#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730022041.pdf

https://books.google.pl/books?id=JO_BVJnc20sC&pg=PA498&lpg=PA498&dq=flux+transfer+event+atmosphere&source=bl&ots=65lhrfBwjQ&sig=1UWrl0Vgpn76PBDn1VNBhPE1Zxs&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6lPvpvZLYAhUDY1AKHZuGDGk4ChDoAQg4MAM#v=onepage&q=flux transfer event atmosphere&f=false

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015JA021667/abstract;jsessionid=691223114D8B275B6C6438F6359094BB.f03t03

Look at the dates of publication. And still no one didn't make any attempts, to use it in practice. So, I'm probably the first one. Sadly, as I said before - I'm not a professional scientist. I would need some help from the scientific community. Who should I ask for some advice, in such case?

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Uh oh there is a first day limit on new accounts to avoid spam. You should have waited a day to continue rather than make a new account.

 Actually magnetohydrodynamics  is in fact a field of study and is considered a mathematical theory.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://battista.web.unc.edu/files/2014/02/introMHD.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjU2sWpxJLYAhVHy2MKHfzKAVAQFjABegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0d26-ZQY9FiYNxJk1OJH9w

It has its own range of equations that should be applied with your modelling. The above is an intro paper.

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8 hours ago, fieldwalker said:

For some reason I can't post any comments, so I've made a second account :) 

!

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As Mordred notes, there is a first-day posting limit (an anti-spam measure which is unfortunately needed).

This account will be locked. Please use the original.

 
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Hello! I'm back! Sorry for the second account - I didn't know about the limit... It wouldn't be the first time, when my account is being blocked, without any explanataion...

Anyway, I'm making another movie and I would like to ensure, that I didn't make any mistake (except my terrible grammar :P). Here are some screenshots of the material, which I will present:

 

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Electromagnetism - level kindergarten. More to come soon...

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Little bit of scientific heresy...

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This is probably why, scientfic community doesn't like me too much :P

More incoming...

Ok, at last some concrete science:

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And now higher level of arcane knowledge:

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Na razie tyle...

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