Hijack from Might the entire universe be treated as a single quantum wavefunction?

[Vmedvil]

7 hours ago, swansont said:

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Moderator Note

Your model is not the topic here. Replies should be mainstream physics, or questions regarding clarification.

 

It is relevant here, He asked if it were possible in a Multiverse manifold, which is what this is, which those are the Standard model Particle states including GR with Cosmological's states, which would collapse the wave-function into a bunch of quanta particles.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Sensei]

22 minutes ago, Vmedvil said:

It is relevant here, He asked if it were possible in a Multiverse manifold,

1) Multiverses have different particle's rest-masses, different physical constants, than this Universe. Analogy: chess vs draughts (different figures, different rules (~ physical laws) ).

2) Parallel Universes have different history, past and future one (one particle traveled there, the other one traveled somewhere else, in random directions, repeat as many times as you have particles in the entire Universe). The all possible results inside of single multiverse-universe cell. Physical constants remaining the same. Analogy: chess with the all possible solutions.

 

Edited December 27, 2017 by Sensei

[Vmedvil]

10 minutes ago, Sensei said:

1) Multiverses have different particle's rest-masses, different physical constants, than this Universe. Analogy: chess vs draughts (different figures, different rules (~ physical laws) ).

2) Parallel Universes have different history, past and future one (one particle traveled there, the other one traveled somewhere else, in random directions, repeat as many times as you have particles in the entire Universe). The all possible results inside of single multiverse-universe cell. Physical constants remaining the same. Analogy: chess with the all possible solutions.

 

Yes, this is for Parallel Universes of this Brane, not Other Universes in the Hyperspace Brane being Alternate Universes which would not have our same dimensions of Forces and Etc. Those are impossible to model as I do not know what Dimensions of forces it uses in Alternate Universes.

 

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Sensei]

4 minutes ago, Vmedvil said:

Yes, this is for Parallel Universes of this Brane, not Other Universes in the Hyperspace Brane being Alternate Universes which would not have our same dimensions of Forces and Etc.

Dunno why, you're introducing to this String Theory....

 

[Vmedvil]

56 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Dunno why, you're introducing to this String Theory....

 

Harmonic Manifold is a much easier String Theory than Actual String Theory, here is the equations for both types in Actual String Theory and not Harmonic Manifold, "My String Theory"

https://stringtheory4kids.wordpress.com/

https://www.quora.com/What-is-string-theory-How-can-I-gather-a-clear-concept-about-the-string-theory

A single Universe splits into two parallel Universes change in causality or state on the same brane.

http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html

Feynman Diagram to String Transformation for Universes Splitting into Parallel Universes.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Point%26string.png

Alternate Universes on two different branes linked by a D-brane "Wormhole", which may have different Force Dimensions.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16248/d-brane-lagrangian

http://www.geoset.info/presentation/black-holes-wormholes-and-time-travel/

Which are caused from different Big Bangs with a Different set of dimensional parameters. 

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/238279-oxford-scientists-call-into-question-the-idea-that-the-universes-expansion-is-accelerating

Many Alternate Universes existing in Hyperspace.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/can-physicists-ever-prove-multiverse-real-180958813/

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Sensei]

Vmedvil, you're in the middle of "Bill Angel" thread.. You should concentrate on answering "Bill Angel" questions, or questioning his speculation (using Standard Model of quantum physics) etc.. Instead of introducing your own, or String Theory.. Moderators consider it as "thread-hijacking", and your posts should be split to separate thread if you want to continue it this way..

 

[Vmedvil]

7 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Vmedvil, you're in the middle of "Bill Angel" thread.. You should concentrate on answering "Bill Angel" questions, or questioning his speculation (using Standard Model of quantum physics) etc.. Instead of introducing your own, or String Theory.. Moderators consider it as "thread-hijacking", and your posts should be split to separate thread if you want to continue it this way..

 

My Model uses the Standard model, Those states are Ψ values and other Quantum Numbers in QCD, Hypercharge, Charge, and Spin along with Energy-mass.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Sensei]

2 minutes ago, Vmedvil said:

My Model uses the Standard model, Those states are Ψ values and other Quantum Numbers in QCD, Hypercharge, Charge, and Spin along with Energy-mass.

But still it has nothing to do with "Bill Angel" speculation... So keep on subject thread is about...

 

[Vmedvil]

It reads (Q,Ψ_c,Y,M - M_Λ,Φ - Φ_Λ,S - S_Λ) Very Relevant to the question.

13 hours ago, Bill Angel said:

Could the entire universe be considered as having a single quantum mechanical wave function?
At the time of the Big Bang the universe was extremely small, of dimensions in which quantum phenomena were dominant compared to gravity, as the entire universe was smaller than a proton.
As the universe expanded, matter filled a much larger region, but particles whose wave functions were entangled would have remain entangled. A textbook analogy would be what happens when two elections with equal but opposite momentum are emitted from a source.  The resultant particles can become separated by the size of the universe, but their total wave function won’t collapse from its range of probabilities until a measurement is made determining the properties of one of the electrons, such as its position and its direction of spin. 

Likewise as the universe expands, would its properties such as the total amount of matter, dark energy, etc. be probabilistic unless some observation could be made of the universe as a whole that would measure that property?

And would the measurement of that property result in the quantum wave function for the entire universe collapsing to yield a single resultant measurement as happens when a measurement is made on an election as described above?

This above questions are related to the issue of whether our universe is really one possible universe in a manifold of universes that would make up a multiverse. 

Okay, to directly answer your question.  Yes, the entire universe can be considered as having a single quantum mechanical wave function.

Yes a single observation could be made for the entire universe @ a time slice.

Something, like that electron but on a much larger object.

Yes, it is very related, I agree.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Sensei]

10 minutes ago, Vmedvil said:

Very Relevant to the question.

..per single particle...

Then show equation of integrating them together for the all particles of the Universe at the same time..

ps. Damn, you love intercepting threads with your own stuff...

 

[Vmedvil]

12 minutes ago, Sensei said:

..per single particle...

Then show equation of integrating them together for the all particles of the Universe at the same time..

ps. Damn, you love intercepting threads with your own stuff...

 

Okay, lets solve this then Sensei.

(Universe Volumetric Planck State @ size of universe in radius) =(3/4)π ((R_Universe/(t_pC)) L_universe )³

 

R_universe = 10 meters

Shortly, after the BB.

L_p = 1.616229(38)×10⁻³⁵ m

Total Strings = (4/3) 3.14 (10/1.616229(38)×10⁻³⁵ m)³

Total Strings = 9.8917379797077367667245997437072 x 10¹⁰⁷

So, that many values of  ∑_x=0 ∑_y=0∑_z=0^{x+y+z = 9.8917379797077367667245997437072 x 10^107} (Q,Ψ_c,Y,M - M_Λ,Φ - Φ_Λ,S - S_Λ) 

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Sensei]

4 minutes ago, Vmedvil said:

Okay, lets solve this then Sensei.

You can't solve it, because you don't know how space and time are quantized...

 

[Vmedvil]

11 minutes ago, Sensei said:

You can't solve it, because you don't know how space and time are quantized...

 

Let say in this universe it is VERY Large electron with no movement , then and Dark Energy is Constant @ 500 km/s/Mpc 

∑_x=0 ∑_y=0∑_z=0^{x+y+z = 9.8917379797077367667245997437072 x 10^107} (-1,0,1,0.511 MeV - 0,0 - 500 ,1/2 - 0) 

 

all values of ∑_x=0 ∑_y=0∑_z=0^{x+y+z = 9.8917379797077367667245997437072 x 10^107} (-1,0,1,0.511 MeV - 0,0 - 500 ,1/2 - 0)  will be the same.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Vmedvil