We can fix this World

[BahadirArici]

38 minutes ago, billasker said:

You have created a version of Utopia according to your experience and ideals.Though I have some doubt about your system,like using gold as currency(because gold is incredibly useful for electronics since it has minimal resistance to electricity),I agree with you.Note that Utopia is a latin world which originates from two ancient greek words(ού witch means no and τόπος which means place).As such the very roots of the word suggests that a perfect community does not exist.Sorry to crush your philosophy but as many have tried,all have faill.For example Thomas More was beheaded,Tiberious and Gaious Grakchus were both assassinated,Platon was sold as a slave etc.The point is that as long as GREED and other sins exist,there can be no perfect human.Therefore there can be no perfect social system created by humans.

 

 

I may have misspelled some names.

I ll take your "i agree with you" and give you back a thank you.

Oh i think i ll still stick with gold.

What i offer is not a perfect World. It is a very reachable Utopia. 

I am not really worried, i may not be unlucky like those geniuses.

[MarkE]

I admire your way of thinking, @BahadirArici. Your proposed system sounds a lot like communism, and if there is something that we've learned from communistic ideas in the past is that the coercive methods of communistic rule were not as capable of generating genuine innovation as free market economies. Capitalism provided the only viable means of maintaining prosperous societies over the long term. History has shown that without a significant degree of inequality, capitalism cannot work. 

So my question to you would be: how would your proposed system be not only more humane and equal, but also preserve innovation and technological progress?

Thanks again for your thoughts. I have to admit that they're pretty inspirational. The world would be a harsh place without people like you who cares about the well-being of others.

Edited February 14, 2018 by MarkE

[Ten oz]

3 minutes ago, MarkE said:

Capitalism provided the only viable means of maintaining prosperous societies over the long term. History has shown that without a significant degree of inequality, capitalism cannot work. 

Those of us who live in capitalistic societies are indoctrinated that it is the best and most prosperous. Like wise those living comfortably in theocracies or under socialism feel the same way. It is all just perception based on environment. Different systems priorities different things. At one point or another in history everyone from the Mongols to the Romans thought they had figured out the best structure from society.  A few hundred years from today people will consider whatever system they have as superior to previous ones including capitalism. That is just the nature of the beast.

[BahadirArici]

17 minutes ago, MarkE said:

I admire your way of thinking, @BahadirArici. Your proposed system sounds a lot like communism, and if there is something that we've learned from communistic ideas in the past is that the coercive methods of communistic rule were not as capable of generating genuine innovation as free market economies. Capitalism provided the only viable means of maintaining prosperous societies over the long term. History has shown that without a significant degree of inequality, capitalism cannot work. 

So my question to you would be: how would your proposed system be not only more humane and equal, but also preserve innovation and technological progress?

Thanks again for your thoughts. I have to admit that they're pretty inspirational. The world would be a harsh place without people like you who cares about the well-being of others.

Thank you for your kind words.

On the contrary tho, i am only breaking one thing of capitalism. I am leaving everything back in its place.

The thing i change is the code, the motive in capitalism. In capitalism you always move your next step for more wealth. This is understandable for some degree but after that, it is meaningless. There is no difference between having 1 billion dollars in your company and having 250 billion dollars. 

So i am giving a new meaning. Again, race to have more wealth but this time also race to use that wealth for Earthlings better. 

 

So what i do, tho i love the essence of the system, has nothing to do with communism. I am still in the playground of capitalism. Actually, one may say, a perfect capitalism.

[MarkE]

I have a few more questions, regarding your ideas:

- How will this new world system, which intends to be more equal and narrow the gap between poor and rich, be at the same time unequal enough for some of us to be motivated enough to work harder, in order to be rewarded more? A ‘free market’ with boundaries at the same time?

- I like the idea of the basic income, basic housing etc. It could wipe out a great deal of crime (everybody needs to eat). But how will you make sure basic income won’t lead to laziness? What kind of punishments would you involve? Will there be basic work as well?

- How will you make sure that those with high status and responsibilities could lose their job if they make big mistakes, and how are those with low status be able to ever going go make it to the top?

- The Earth has a finite amount of food that can be generated. Our planet just can't be inhabited by 50 billion people. The population shouldn’t therefore be allowed outnumber the oxygen and food production that is being generated by the world forests and phytoplankton in the oceans. How will you limit birth growth? What kind of rules have to be set, and are these rules applied equally for everybody, whatever your function/task is?

- And lastly, what about environmental problems? Our plastic ocean is a big one, but nothing compares to the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. Are the citizens of the world's future city-states allowed to maintain our current industrial lifestyle, in which 80% of world transport is made possible by fossil fuels, until, at some point in the near future, we’ll run out of our stock? Or should sustainable innovation and renewable energy sources be one of our main tasks?

Edited February 17, 2018 by MarkE

[dimreepr]

45 minutes ago, MarkE said:

- I like the idea of the basic income, basic housing etc. It could wipe out a great deal of crime (everybody needs to eat). But how will you make sure basic income won’t lead to laziness? What kind of punishments would you involve? Will there be basic work as well?

 

Why does it matter if they're lazy? They'd be lazy at work too (unproductive) which may, in turn, hold back the rest of the team; they'd be better off at home. They create the incentive by living in relative poverty (a home, small and in the poorest area's and enough to eat) with none of the benefits of hard work (a comfortable home in a good area and options of what to eat and who cooks it for you).

So instead of worrying about their life choices be glad, you made better choices with yours. 

[BahadirArici]

On 17.02.2018 at 2:08 PM, MarkE said:

I have a few more questions, regarding your ideas:

- How will this new world system, which intends to be more equal and narrow the gap between poor and rich, be at the same time unequal enough for some of us to be motivated enough to work harder, in order to be rewarded more? A ‘free market’ with boundaries at the same time?

It is simple. universal basic income eliminates the hunger or inhumane living on earth. So everyone gets a fair standard of living. Also the economical cap, being able to own a limited money eliminates the super rich. In between, it is upto your tallents and your determination where you wan to be economically. There is no boundries for free market what so ever. 

On 17.02.2018 at 2:08 PM, MarkE said:

- I like the idea of the basic income, basic housing etc. It could wipe out a great deal of crime (everybody needs to eat). But how will you make sure basic income won’t lead to laziness? What kind of punishments would you involve? Will there be basic work as well?

There is no punishment for being lazy. There is no such thing as lazy in my taste. Everyone has the need of existing themselves. In this economic system very most of us are not having a true human experience. We dont have the chance to create or do things we desire. Basic income will give that opportunity and i believe most of people will have a meaningful life, will search a meaningful life, even when they are not working. They ll work on their talents, their desires, enriching themselves enriching our culture. 

On 17.02.2018 at 2:08 PM, MarkE said:

- How will you make sure that those with high status and responsibilities could lose their job if they make big mistakes, and how are those with low status be able to ever going go make it to the top?

This will be organised by the free economy. We will not interfere with it.

On 17.02.2018 at 2:08 PM, MarkE said:

- The Earth has a finite amount of food that can be generated. Our planet just can't be inhabited by 50 billion people. The population shouldn’t therefore be allowed outnumber the oxygen and food production that is being generated by the world forests and phytoplankton in the oceans. How will you limit birth growth? What kind of rules have to be set, and are these rules applied equally for everybody, whatever your function/task is?

This essamption is simply wrong. Today they make a laptop screen size gadgets that produce oxygen of a forrest. Same with the food. Feeding our population is not a problem, at this age. Not only feeding them we should make sure everyone experience their humanity at a certain level. I am sure with this new World, we will always know how to feed double of our population, all the time.

On 17.02.2018 at 2:08 PM, MarkE said:

- And lastly, what about environmental problems? Our plastic ocean is a big one, but nothing compares to the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere. Are the citizens of the world's future city-states allowed to maintain our current industrial lifestyle, in which 80% of world transport is made possible by fossil fuels, until, at some point in the near future, we’ll run out of our stock? Or should sustainable innovation and renewable energy sources be one of our main tasks?

You are %100 percent right. We should efinitely take a better care of our World. We should fix the plastic problem and other enviremental risks. In the new World i assume people will be more caring about enviremental problems. We should keep in mind that it is not the people but greedy companies and their politicians that are killing the envirement.

 

 

Thank you for these great questions.