Intelligence and Natural Selection

[Ten oz]

Is there a way to measure of accurately Intelligence beyond temporary societal definitions?

I am of the opinion intelligence is an intangible which cannot be thoroughly measured due to the ever changing demands of Natural Selection. In societies over time different cognitive abilities are valued to greater or lesser degrees. There have been many people throughout history modern day Academics laud as genius who were burned at the stake as heretics or otherwise dismissed by society at large during their time. The definition of intelligence seems to have a floating conformity with whatever a given society values in real time. All cognitive traits are only useful moment by moment. The exact same cognitive ability which enables success today could render one totally inept tomorrow as environments change. Different challenges require different solutions. Measuring intelligence beyond its momentary use in a society as it exists isn't possible. While IQ and other standardize tests appear to be reliable indicators of success to various degrees (arguably not at all) they are only so because they reflect the current hierarchy of society. Natural Selection is not linear. End of the day it only rewards reproduction. Being suited enough for an environment to reproduce in said environment is the crux of it. Everything else is secondary. Intelligence is relative. What say ya'll?

 

[Lasse]

56 minutes ago, Ten oz said:

Is there a way to measure of accurately Intelligence beyond temporary societal definitions?

I Think digitally that is possible. We can digitally scale basically anything. We are able to evaluate one another on common conceptions. Intelligence, freedom, responsibility, Peace, love, curiousity, diligence... What ever our social sciences, medicine, or physics can find. Imagine a Facebook like platform which tands to build ones relevant information, well structured and on a see throughable manner, while saving any data relevant for the observer(one itself). Then give the option to digitally save your dna and physically in liquide nitrogen connected to all your data, experience, knowledge, interests, thoughts(your intelligence) online. Before you die allow one clone 1000 years after your original Death. Correction to your dna based on the previously recognized problems, from Life long collected, digitalised, Medical results. All previous Life information (intelligence) is avaliable to One for research. 

Intelligence is a collected information. Your subconsciousness (intuiton) and your consciousness together. Every information reached you thourgh your Life formed you caracter (independent you recognize it or not). We are information with energy. (or where our personality is "saved" otherwise ?) 

I Think it would be possible to more accurately measure intelligence if the digital solution, we attempt to measure it is well structured and adjusted to the humans individuals perceptions.

Note the language and perception based conformities on what One could build on.  

Edited April 24, 2018 by Lasse

[Ten oz]

9 minutes ago, Lasse said:

Intelligence, freedom, responsibility, Peace, love, curiousity, diligence...What ever our social sciences, medicine, or physics can find. Imagine a Facebook like platform which tands to build ones relevant information, well structured and on a see throughable manner, while saving any data relevant for the observer(one itself).

These are all relative terms however. Depending on the environment being irresponsible, violent, hateful, and suborn might be more successful. By definition Intelligence deals with the applying cognitive attributes to reasoning for the purpose of problem solving. Relative to the problem being solved different attributes will or will not be more successful. There is no way to know for sure what the relevant data will be indefinitely.

17 minutes ago, Lasse said:

Intelligence is a collected information. Your subconsciousness (intuiton) and your consciousness together. Every information reached you thourgh your Life formed you caracter (independent you recognize it or not). We are information with energy. (or where our personality is "saved" otherwise?) 

 Intelligence is the rate at which relevant real time information can be processed and not merely the amount of information one has. Knowing to move out of the way of on coming traffic isn't very useful if it takes me a couple hours to recall the details of how to get out of the way. 

25 minutes ago, Lasse said:

I Think it would be possible to more accurately measure intelligence if the digital solution, we attempt to measure it is well structured and adjusted to the humans individuals perceptions.

Note the language and perception based conformities on what One could build on.  

Perhaps but how would we do this?

[Moontanman]

Intelligence is in the mind of the being defining it. We think of ourselves being the most intelligent creature on Earth because intelligence tests are designed by us and compared to us. Elephants have huge brains and are quite intelligent and if they were designing an intelligence test we would probably come up short in their minds... 

[Ten oz]

3 hours ago, Moontanman said:

Intelligence is in the mind of the being defining it. We think of ourselves being the most intelligent creature on Earth because intelligence tests are designed by us and compared to us. Elephants have huge brains and are quite intelligent and if they were designing an intelligence test we would probably come up short in their minds... 

I agree

[amarinthal]

On 4/24/2018 at 8:19 AM, Ten oz said:

Different challenges require different solutions.

All challenges require the ability to abstract and process pertinent information, as examples. Between individuals, people do this to varying degrees.

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Measuring intelligence beyond its momentary use in a society as it exists isn't possible. While IQ and other standardize tests appear to be reliable indicators of success to various degrees (arguably not at all) they are only so because they reflect the current hierarchy of society.

IQ is not a good predictor of success. In fact, qualities that predict success such as conscientiousness are regarded as separate from IQ. 
Take the hypothetical scenario of a job that emphasizes creativity. Creativity and IQ are regarded as discrete with tools of measurement not identical. Yet, at a certain threshold of IQ that is relatively the same between individuals, creativity varies where the more creative individual in this scenario wins out.

To some degree the hierarchy of society is a reflection of nature. Take society out of the equation to examine the individual in nature, and you'd see that there are undeniable discrepancies in terms of survival. This is assuming that intelligence was a "selected-for" trait to give homo sapiens an edge in species survival.

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Natural Selection is not linear. End of the day it only rewards reproduction. Being suited enough for an environment to reproduce in said environment is the crux of it. Everything else is secondary. Intelligence is relative. What say ya'll?

I think your line of reasoning is incorrect. I'd point you to the direction of understanding a neuropsychologist's definition of "intelligence" first, since they do perform the official cognitive assessments that measure IQ. IQ is correlated to our current understanding of intelligence. You might wonder why this is necessary, and the answer is that the value lies in argument.

Edited May 28, 2018 by amarinthal

[Ten oz]

18 minutes ago, amarinthal said:

All challenges require the ability to abstract and process pertinent information, as examples. Between individuals, people do this to varying degrees.

This would imply that those who are best able to abstractly process information will always best solve challenges yet that isn't the case. Idiot savants are considered mentally disabled yet can have the ability to out perform the majority of people is specific disciplines. 

1 hour ago, amarinthal said:

IQ is not a good predictor of success

I agree.

1 hour ago, amarinthal said:

I think your line of reasoning is incorrect. I'd point you to the direction of understanding a neuropsychologist's definition of "intelligence" first, since they do perform the official cognitive assessments that measure IQ. IQ is correlated to our current understanding of intelligence. You might wonder why this is necessary, and the answer is that the value lies in argument.

Natural selection is absolutely linked to reproduction. Genes are passed through reproduction. To current state of any species of animal is always a reflection of which among them reproduce. Intelligence is not always the trait selected for. Being more intelligent doesn't ensure survival. Crocodiles have been around 200 millions and to my knowledge are no more intelligent today than they were when dinosaurs roamed. Natural selection is not linear always moving towards intelligence.