DrP Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dimreepr said: I read Sermon on the mount does that count? The Beatitudes. I used to find the part where even thinking about a woman sexually is equivalent to adultery challenging. I used to beat myself up about it as my eyes have always wandered. Those are my eyes though and looking back I beat myself up for no reason. Burning with desire is one thing, a little flirtation or admiration is nothing imo and even perfectly natural. I fell like an idiot for entertaining it for so many years. "The meek shall inherit the earth? - well, let them have it! I don't want any trouble with the meek!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moontanman said: why do christians hate homosexuals so much? Jesus never mentioned them. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, dimreepr said: Exactly. It's because they cherry pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: It's because they cherry pick... Just because you do, doesn't mean everyone's at it; forgive them for they know not what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dimreepr said: Just because you do, doesn't mean everyone's at it; forgive them for they know not what they do. So pointing out that people are cherry picking is cherry picking? Don't bend over so far your ignorance of the subject is showing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moontanman said: Being fair you should read it instead of allowing a preacher to cherry pick it for you. I never really done that imo (Cherry pick) - I and many others I know used to pray before any bible study that we would be lead by the holy ghost to receive his message to us through his word. This meant letting certain things just hit you and sink in. Someone could talk for half an hour during a sermon but the important lesson is that one thing that leaps out at you and sticks. As it goes I guess this is a form of cherry picking, but if it were true (being led by the holy ghost) then it would be perfectly acceptable as the cherries are picked by god. Basically - if the god of the bible were real then everything can be explained, all the contradiction all the errors, all of the perceived evil. It is all explained if god (and the devil) are real... although the test for it's reality then becomes unfalsifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: So pointing out that people are cherry picking is cherry picking? Don't bend over so far your ignorance of the subject is showing... Do you know... What you're doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, dimreepr said: Do you know... What you're doing? Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moontanman said: Do you? Do you really think the eradication of religion will lead to some sort of utopia? However hard you wish the answer is never that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Do you really think the eradication of religion will lead to some sort of utopia? However hard you wish the answer is never that simple. I have never, not once, suggested the eradication of religion, you really need to step back and start paying attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: I have never, not once, suggested the eradication of religion, you really need to step back and start paying attention... That seems disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, dimreepr said: That seems disingenuous. That is because you continue to argue from ignorance. I am all about freedom of religion as long as that religions freedoms do not give them special privileges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, Moontanman said: That is because you continue to argue from ignorance. I am all about freedom of religion as long as that religions freedoms do not give them special privileges... Ye, but it's people that do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Ye, but it's people that do that... Well governments really but who else would? Do you think Christianity just suddenly woke up one morning and thought "wow! we need to stop persecuting each other and people who do not worship our god?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: Do you think Christianity just suddenly woke up one morning and thought "wow! we need to stop persecuting each other and people who do not worship our god?" No, but someone might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, dimreepr said: No, but someone might have. Yeah, secularists... Christianity had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the enlightenment. It took almost a century to put much of a dent into various christian sects percuting each other. In fact until the late 20th century protestants and catholics were still using religion as an excuse to kill each other over sometimes not to old grievances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Moontanman said: I have never, not once, suggested the eradication of religion, you really need to step back and start paying attention... 2 minutes ago, Moontanman said: Yeah, secularists... Christianity had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the enlightenment. It took almost a century to put much of a dent into various christian sects percuting each other. In fact until the late 20th century protestants and catholics were still using religion as an excuse to kill each other over sometimes not to old grievances... Seems explicit now... We all want a better world, does it matter where we find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, dimreepr said: Seems explicit now... We all want a better world, does it matter where we find it? Well religion has had thousands of years of complete control and they never stopped persecuting each other or people who didn't believe the same way they did. I don't think they deserve any more control much less absolute control of life and death over the population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Moontanman said: Well religion has had thousands of years of complete control and they never stopped persecuting each other or people who didn't believe the same way they did. I don't think they deserve any more control much less absolute control of life and death over the population. It's telling that you use the word control, religions don't. Edited May 16, 2019 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dimreepr said: It's telling you use the word control, religions don't. Of course they do not, they use words like "kill non believers" again you are being disingenuous by trying to obfuscate the issue. I have my doubts you qualify as as an atheist since at least the abrahamic religions, if given back their power, would have you killed. In fact in some Muslim countries your head would be in danger of being separated from your body for such thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moontanman said: Of course they do not, they use words like "kill non believers" again you are being disingenuous by trying to obfuscate the issue. I have my doubts you qualify as as an atheist since at least the abrahamic religions, if given back their power, would have you killed. In fact in some Muslim countries your head would be in danger of being separated from your body for such thoughts... Dude, when are you going to sleep on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dimreepr said: Dude, when are you going to sleep on it? When are you going to stop arguing from ignorance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Moontanman said: When are you going to stop arguing from ignorance? I guess it would be when you explain my ignorance to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 9 hours ago, dimreepr said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings Nice anecdote. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dimreepr said: I guess it would be when you explain my ignorance to me... I have over and over but you simply keep repeating what the religious claim instead of looking for non religious sources or heaven forbid actually using google to look up what the theistic claims are and how dishonest they are. Without lies and deception religions could not exist... Faith itself is nothing but self deception... Edited May 16, 2019 by Moontanman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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