Capiert Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) discusses a man named Aldo Costa who has constructed a ferris wheel with 256 (empty, & moveable) wine bottles, (middle in Paris). The mechanism appears rather obvious (to me): the bottles on half of the wheel (vertically seen, left vs right) are (~10 cm) further out radially from the axle, than the other (half) side. The bottles are pushed up at the top (most) & bottom (most parts) of the wheel's circumference using lever rods (at the bottom) & pivots (with guide at the stand's top). Once moved (~10 cm up) each bottle (rotated) stays in position because their pivots (are not (ball) bearings but) have enough friction. So the total torques on the left versus right side of the ferris wheel are not equal, & the wheel turns (due to more torque on 1 side). I estimate the wheel could generate less than 1 kW if connected to a generator. The wheel was jammed with a crowbar to prevent it from turning (when not in use). The wheel also stops turning if 4 bottles were adjusted. My question is: what is the (exact) reason why that wheel turns? I'm NOT interested in Eric Krieg's (beliefs, nor) guesswork. Their was no wind, & that thing turns day & night (with or) without sunlight. There were no batteries, cables, chemicals nor pullies. How do they get "10 tons" of steel to (constantly) rotate (against friction)? Where exactly is (the hamster in the cage, &) the energy coming from? (Conservation of energy: energy can not be created (nor destroyed).) If you cannot debunk this (ferris wheel) with an exact answer, then I am left to conclude that the wheel functions as the inventor said, e.g. as I have explained above. I.e. It is gravity powered. Edited June 6, 2018 by Capiert
Phi for All Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Capiert said: I estimate the wheel could generate less than 1 kW if connected to a generator. It was my understanding that the wheel stalls when this is attempted. Otherwise, Mr Costa would be demonstrating THAT.
Capiert Posted June 6, 2018 Author Posted June 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Phi for All said: It was my understanding that the wheel stalls when this is attempted. Otherwise, Mr Costa would be demonstrating THAT. I don't know. I didn't see that demonstration you mentioned. Do you have any link with time point? Maybe I should have said, much less than 1 kW?
Phi for All Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Capiert said: I don't know. I didn't see that demonstration you mentioned. Do you have any link with time point? There was no filmed demonstration, presumably because it didn't work. We had a thread some time ago on perpetual motion and he was mentioned. Somewhere on the web there's some correspondence where Costa admits his current machine failed, but swore a bigger one would work, only he wasn't being allowed to build it (which didn't make sense to me). I like the crowbar bit. Very PT Barnum.
swansont Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Phi for All said: I like the crowbar bit. Very PT Barnum. Or Monty Python. If there was no crowbar, it would muscle up to the cage and VOOM!
Capiert Posted August 17, 2018 Author Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) On 6 June 2018 at 5:15 AM, Phi for All said: There was no filmed demonstration, presumably because it didn't work. We had a thread some time ago on perpetual motion and he was mentioned. Somewhere on the web there's some correspondence where Costa admits his current machine failed, but swore a bigger one would work, only he wasn't being allowed to build it (which didn't make sense to me). I like the crowbar bit. Very PT Barnum. PT=? Sorry, rumours don't interest me either (unless they can be backed up, & traced). I.e. That still did NOT answer my (debunk) question: What makes that "10 Tons" constantly turn? Edited August 17, 2018 by Capiert
swansont Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Capiert said: PT=? Phineas Taylor 12 hours ago, Capiert said: What makes that "10 Tons" constantly turn? A hidden mechanism. A cheat.
Strange Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Capiert said: (unless they can be backed up, & traced). The fake perpetual motion machine isn't backed up by anything except a fake video. Quote What makes that "10 Tons" constantly turn? Magic. Or invisible pink unicorns. Edited August 17, 2018 by Strange
koti Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 What I don’t understand is people looking at obviously uselees ways of finding energy when there are virtually infinite (st least for practical reasons) sources of energy like solar and hydrogen right at our fingertips to use. 1
Strange Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, koti said: What I don’t understand is people looking at obviously uselees ways of finding energy when there are virtually infinite (st least for practical reasons) sources of energy like solar and hydrogen right at our fingertips to use. I guess you mean "hydroelectric" rather than hydrogen? Or are you thinking of that back-yard fusion reactor... What I don't understand is why some people will credulously accept fraudulent claims about "free energy" and then reject (on the basis of "reasonable scepticism") scientific explanations of why they won't work. Edited August 17, 2018 by Strange
koti Posted August 17, 2018 Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Strange said: ... back-yard fusion reactor... I’m not telling, its a secret Yes, I meant hydroelectric, sory for the con(fusion). We don’t even need that though, harvesting 1 second of the sun’s energy output would power the US for 9 million years. We have a free and (practically) endless power source right in our own back yard. 16 minutes ago, Strange said: What I don't understand is why some people will credulously accept fraudulent claims about "free energy" and then reject (on the basis of "reasonable scepticism") scientific explanations of why they won't work. I understand the reasons why but I’m having a hard time accepting them. I came across one of those riddles on social media the other day (posting it below) and I would estimate that out of thousands of people, not more than 15%-20% of people got the answer right. Most answer $10 or $0 but you also get a lot answers like $30 or $50. This is truly scary. Edited August 17, 2018 by koti
Capiert Posted August 19, 2018 Author Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) On 2018 08 17 at 3:56 PM, swansont said: Phineas Taylor Thank you. Quote A hidden mechanism. A cheat. Sorry, that still didn't answer my question. I.e. What is the mechanism? Independent if hidden or not. On 2018 08 17 at 4:14 PM, Strange said: The fake perpetual motion machine isn't backed up by anything except a fake video. I didn't ask whether it was fake or not. Quote Magic. Or invisible pink unicorns. Sorry, that also didn't answer my question. On 2018 08 17 at 4:38 PM, koti said: What I don’t understand is people looking at obviously useless ways of finding energy when there are virtually infinite (at least for practical reasons) sources of energy like solar and hydrogen right at our fingertips to use. Yes, it seems the people at this forum do not understand (my question). Sorry, that did not answer my question. Edited August 19, 2018 by Capiert
Strange Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Capiert said: I.e. What is the mechanism? It is hidden so how can we know? Why not contact the person who created the video, politely point out that you know they are a fraud and ask if they would eb willing to explain how it was done. Good luck.
Capiert Posted August 19, 2018 Author Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Strange said: It is hidden so how can we know? If the device is disassembled & no hidden mechanism is found then your assumed guess is useless. Just now, Strange said: Why not contact the person who created the video, politely point out that you know they are a fraud Why should I do something like that & lie, doing something that I am not convinced of? Just now, Strange said: and ask if they would be willing to explain how it was done. Your idea is perhaps not new, but nobody has succeeded (to report the exact mechanism, as far as I can see). Just now, Strange said: Good luck. Thanks, but if it is so easy as you say, then surely you will have more success than me. Sorry, that has (also) not answered my question. (I've stated how it functions if the exact mechanism is not otherwise declared.)
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