beecee Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: It's not a supernatural being, its a higher power that created everything around consciousness. Nice dreams. Hans Christian Anderson would be envious. Edited June 2, 2018 by beecee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Endercreeper01 said: If the consciousness has always an existence, It hasn't, life first always unless you think rocks are conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, dimreepr said: It hasn't, life first always unless you think rocks are conscious. Well thats true from one perspective, but from the perspective of a consciousness, it would have "always" existed in a way if it is constantly "existing" if that makes sense. 2 minutes ago, beecee said: Nice dreams. Hans Christian Anderson would be envious. There is nothing that makes the existence of a higher power in the universe impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, Endercreeper01 said: Well thats true from one perspective, but from the perspective of a consciousness, it would have "always" existed in a way if it is constantly "existing" if that makes sense. Then you need a new word, consciousness already has a meaning. God seems the most appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Then you need a new word, consciousness already has a meaning. It's more about the self that experiences consciousness which perceives itself as always existing, since it is constantly experiencing reality and must exist to be experiencing. This means that relative to the self it will always be existing. Edited June 2, 2018 by Endercreeper01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaDinghus Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: It's more about the self that experiences consciousness which perceives itself as always existing, since it is constantly experiencing reality and must exist to be experiencing. This means that relative to the self it will always be existing. So it's more or less about something that more or less resembles consciousness which relates more or less to reality. That's a lot of more or less, probably less than more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: There is nothing that makes the existence of a higher power in the universe impossible. Science isn't about proofs and positives. Science is about explaining the universe around us based on observations and via models/theories. The strength of science is that models and theories are modified according to further and improved observations. No observations, no predict any god that you claim under any name you chose even "higher power"...or spaghetti monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, YaDinghus said: So it's more or less about something that more or less resembles consciousness which relates more or less to reality. That's a lot of more or less, probably less than more It isn't more or less, it is conscousness. Just now, beecee said: Science isn't about proofs and positives. Science is about explaining the universe around us based on observations and via models/theories. The strength of science is that models and theories are modified according to further and improved observations. No observations, no predict any god that you claim under any name you chose even "higher power"...or spaghetti monster. How about observations of numbers appearing in a statistically unlikely manner repeatedly through reality, in a synchronized manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Endercreeper01 said: It isn't more or less, it is conscousness. or simply a product of evolution, stemming of course from Abiogenesis, the only scientific answer available. 3 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: How about observations of numbers appearing in a statistically unlikely manner repeatedly through reality, in a synchronized manner? Why do you insist in being deliberately obtuse? That has been answered many times for you. Are you that blinded by mythical beliefs? It is nothing but woo. I once personally threw 17 heads in a row in a game of two up on ANZAC Day. Coincidence or woo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: It's more about the self that experiences consciousness which perceives itself as always existing, since it is constantly experiencing reality and must exist to be experiencing. This means that relative to the self it will always be existing. So long as one is alive, dead people don't perceive anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Endercreeper01 said: the reasoning is about consciousness creating reality around it. Although it's not a very complicated reasoning, it has yet to be refuted by anyone on this forum. There is no reasoning. You just believe it to be true. 1 hour ago, Endercreeper01 said: The more a number appears in this way, the less likely it is statistically to have the potential to show you. As the chances get smaller and smaller, it becomes clear that a higher power is behind number synchronicity. Please show the mathematical proof of this. 55 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: If the consciousness has always an existence, then there would have been life elsewhere before in order for it to exist within. Then you would need to provide evidence that consciousness has always existed. 55 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: It's not a supernatural being, its a higher power that created everything around consciousness. If it is not supernatural, then we should be able to use technology to detect and measure this higher power. When you have done that, you can come back with the evidence. Until then, claiming that "something created everything around consciousness" is supernatural. 29 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: How about observations of numbers appearing in a statistically unlikely manner repeatedly through reality, in a synchronized manner? Can you show us the mathematical proof that they are statistically unlikely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 On 02/06/2018 at 11:48 AM, Endercreeper01 said: Synchronicity is about specific numbers appearing in the universe over and over again. It is not about isolated incidents of a number appearing. OK. On 02/06/2018 at 11:48 AM, Endercreeper01 said: As the chances get smaller and smaller, it becomes clear that a higher power is behind number synchronicity. ... No. It doesn't. If it is truly random then you will see patterns that look like designs from time to time in anything generated randomly. If you throw a million dice from a building and repeat this over and over for several billion years and suddenly you see they are all 6's would you say - this must be by design? No - you would expect that if you infinitely repeat the toss then you should see all 6s sometimes - however improbable. Nothing to do with a designer. Things crop up all the time that look as though they must have been designed or planned - the universe is full of examples of such co-incidences. After 14.5 billion years you would expect the amazing and the improbable no? Is it still improbable after 500,000,000 Billion years to throw a million 6's in a single toss? Each time it is as improbable as the last - but over the time period of eternity it is expected to show up eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, DrP said: OK. ... No. It doesn't. If it is truly random then you will see patterns that look like designs from time to time in anything generated randomly. If you throw a million dice from a building and repeat this over and over for several billion years and suddenly you see they are all 6's would you say - this must be by design? No - you would expect that if you infinitely repeat the toss then you should see all 6s sometimes - however improbable. Nothing to do with a designer. Things crop up all the time that look as though they must have been designed or planned - the universe is full of examples of such co-incidences. After 14.5 billion years you would expect the amazing and the improbable no? Is it still improbable after 500,000,000 Billion years to throw a million 6's in a single toss? Each time it is as improbable as the last - but over the time period of eternity it is expected to show up eventually. How about something like the moon and earth creating a phi ratio triangle with their combined dimensions? Or the fact that adding the orbital periods of the 3 other rocky planets in the solar system results in almost exactly 1000 earth days? Mercury: 87.97 days Venus : 224.70 days Mars: 686.98 days 87.97 + 224.70 + 686.98 = 999.65 Everything is created in a divine order, and the evidence is all around you. You only have to look a little further. Edited June 6, 2018 by Endercreeper01 -4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: How about something like the moon and earth creating a phi ratio triangle with their combined dimensions? Or the fact that adding the orbital periods of the 3 other rocky planets in the solar system results in almost exactly 1000 earth days? Mercury: 87.97 days Venus : 224.70 days Mars: 686.98 days 87.97 + 224.70 + 686.98 = 999.65 Everything is created in a divine order, and the evidence is all around you. You only have to look a little further. You would think if he were divine, he could have managed to make it exactly 1000 earth days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, zapatos said: You would think if he were divine, he could have managed to make it exactly 1000 earth days. Eight hours off of 1000 is quite impressive, considering that it is a 99.965% accuracy. The moon and earth phi triangle is also very close to perfection Earth radius: 3,959 mi Moon radius: 1,079 mi (3,959 + 1,079) / 3,959 = 1.2727 Square root of Phi = 1.2720 AN accuracy of up to four decimal points is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 59 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: Everything is created in a divine order, and the evidence is all around you. You only have to look a little further. How do you adjust for pareidolia? Science has methods to deal with our confirmation bias, but you seem to have no such filter, so the "evidence" you claim is suspect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Phi for All said: How do you adjust for pareidolia? Science has methods to deal with our confirmation bias, but you seem to have no such filter, so the "evidence" you claim is suspect. It's more than pareidolia. Measurements of reality are leading to certain coincidences that would have a very small probability of occurring, if such results were truly the result of random chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: It's more than pareidolia. Measurements of reality are leading to certain coincidences that would have a very small probability of occurring, if such results were truly the result of random chance. It's pareidolia on a grand scale...nothing more, nothing less, and all without a scrap of evidence. Some people will swallow anything if burdened with enough baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, beecee said: It's pareidolia on a grand scale...nothing more, nothing less, and all without a scrap of evidence. Some people will swallow anything if burdened with enough baggage. How about a 4 decimal point accuracy alignment of the earth and moon with Phi, the golden ratio? Or the almost perfect 1000 days when summing the orbital periods of the other 3 rocky planets besides earth? There is an extremely small probability for things to turn out this way by chance. You act like it is impossible for reality to have been created by a higher power. Would you at least be willing to admit that it's possible that a higher power created the universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullible Definition of gullible : easily duped or cheated selling overpriced souvenirs to gullibletourists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullibility Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action. It is closely related to credulity, which is the tendency to believeunlikely propositions that are unsupported by evidence.[1][2] Classes of people especially vulnerable to exploitation due to gullibility include children, the elderly, and the developmentally disabled 2 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: .You act like it is impossible for reality to have been created by a higher power. Would you at least be willing to admit that it's possible that a higher power created the universe? I totally reject the unscientific nature and gullibility of near everything that you propose. Your personal "qualities" or lack thereof as demonstrated in your posts here and elsewhere is incredulous. But again, you obviously wear that as a badge of honour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, beecee said: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullible Definition of gullible : easily duped or cheated selling overpriced souvenirs to gullibletourists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullibility Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action. It is closely related to credulity, which is the tendency to believeunlikely propositions that are unsupported by evidence.[1][2] Classes of people especially vulnerable to exploitation due to gullibility include children, the elderly, and the developmentally disabled Is it really impossible to you for any sort of higher power to exist? It should be at least a possibility> Do you think the universe was born from absolutely nothing and without a cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 29 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: AN accuracy of up to four decimal points is impressive. Impressive for you and me? Maybe. Impressive for someone divine? For God's sake my friend, he either can't do math or he doesn't check his work. Very sloppy if you ask me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, Endercreeper01 said: Is it really impossible to you for any sort of higher power to exist? It should be at least a possibility> Do you think the universe was born from absolutely nothing and without a cause? We really are not sure, but some reasonable ideas are often talked about. https://www.astrosociety.org/publication/a-universe-from-nothing/ A Universe from Nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endercreeper01 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, beecee said: I totally reject the unscientific nature and gullibility of near everything that you propose. Your personal "qualities" or lack thereof as demonstrated in your posts here and elsewhere is incredulous. But again, you obviously wear that as a badge of honour You act as if nothing can exist outside of the scientific method. What you fail to realize is that science is about the "how" about reality and not the "why"... 6 minutes ago, zapatos said: Impressive for you and me? Maybe. Impressive for someone divine? For God's sake my friend, he either can't do math or he doesn't check his work. Very sloppy if you ask me. Actually it is nothing when you consider how much the earth varies in radius across the surface of the earth, and when the uncertainy is taken into context it becomes basically equivalent with the alignment. It really isn't required to be any more perfect than it already is. The alignment is already extremely unlikely to occur without the influence of a higher power Edited June 6, 2018 by Endercreeper01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, Endercreeper01 said: Actually it is nothing when you consider how much the earth varies in radius across the surface of the earth, and when the uncertainy is taken into context it becomes basically equivalent with the alignment. It really isn't required to be any more perfect than it already is. The alignment is already extremely unlikely to occur without the influence of a higher power You see what you want to see, not what is in front of you. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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