'Gravity as a zero-point-fluctuation force' of Puthoff and artificial gravity

[Giovanni]

Hi all,

I would like to pose some questions about Gravity as a zero-point-fluctuation force of Puthoff.

The article: Zero Point Field cause an oscillation on fundamental particles. (electrons and quarks) and this cause a mutual interaction between those particles. Making the calculations Puthoff observes the correct dependence on distance. (r^-2)

The questions are:  to simulate the presence of a particle outside a macroscopic object it should be sufficient to recreate the variable electromagnetic field that the particle would generate by oscillating. It would be enough to have such a field and the macroscopic object would be attracted by the gravity of the 'simulated particle'. Quite right? What are the practical difficulties in creating such a field?

I was motivated by the Louis Rancourt findings: basically it seems that light attract matter as a gravity source.

Ref: Effect of light on gravitational attraction

 

 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Giovanni

[Markus Hanke]

15 hours ago, Giovanni said:

Quite right?

No, because gravity does not behave the way electromagnetism does, so you can’t model gravity by trying to reduce it to electromagnetic interactions - except perhaps as an approximation in the Newtonian regime, which is basically what this author has done.

15 hours ago, Giovanni said:

Making the calculations Puthoff observes the correct dependence on distance. (r^-2)

The trouble with this is that gravity is not actually a force at all - it’s geodesic deviation, and hence a geometric property of spacetime. What this author has done here is re-create a Newtonian approximation; that is fine, but I don’t really see the point, since it is only an approximation in the low-energy, slow-velocity regime. The full behaviour of gravity, as described by General Relativity, cannot be modelled in this way.

[Giovanni]

Yes you are right: the entire discussion is about the Newtonian approximation. In the past I have spoken with Puthoff about how to pass from Newton to his PV interpretation of GR. It should be possible. But is not the core of the discussion: here I would like to discuss the Newtonian approximation.

[Giovanni]

Another independent verification of the fenomenon: https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/1559-4-libor-neumann-experimental-verification-of-electromagnetic-gravity-effect-weighing-light-and-heat.html

[Silvestru]

3 hours ago, Giovanni said:

Another independent verification of the fenomenon: https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/1559-4-libor-neumann-experimental-verification-of-electromagnetic-gravity-effect-weighing-light-and-heat.html

And only 25$!  Can't wait to get it as I am a big fan of pseudoscience.

[Giovanni]

Physics Essays is a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No pseudoscience in the work of Neumann.

[Silvestru]

8 minutes ago, Giovanni said:

Physics Essays is a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No pseudoscience in the work of Neumann.

Soo it costs 25$ to prove you wrong?

[Giovanni]

Accessing the article costs $ 25. Prove that I'm wrong it's impossible because I did not positively affirm anything: I just asked questions.