What is with this that girls lying they have never had boyfriend?

[Phi for All]

Why do some girls like to play head games? Because they are sociopaths. This is the era where people think they are cool stuff, but I know in the end I'm the ultimate sociopath so nothing gets around me. Learn to read people. Show no emotion when they speak, that's also a good way to tell if someone is lying. Read their actions, think about what they are doing. If all else fails, stalk them.

I can't believe some wonderful woman hasn't snatched you up yet!

[Bettina]

If all else fails, stalk them.

 

Another sicko...Just what the police need.

 

Bettina

[swansont]

This thread reminds me of a joke.

 

I recall hearing that Elvis liked younger women because he was insecure and afraid that his "performance" wouldn't measure up by comparison if the girls were too experienced.

[YT2095]

I recon the only way he`ll get laid, is to crawl up a chickens ass and wait!

[1veedo]

A word of advice: Accept culture. Otherwise you'll just be wierd and uncool, cynic or not.

[Callipygous]

Damn, we'v been found out!! And by a virgin no less!

 

 

he does have a point in that many girls are in fact psychotic, bitchy, manipulative whores. however, i wouldnt put the situation hes describing under that catagory.

 

i dont know if most people share this feeling, since im not any other people, but as a virgin, i have to agree that there is a certain desire for your partner to be inexperienced. i dont know if its because it would be more meaningful, or if its just some testosterone driven desire for control, or something else entirely.

 

im not gonna sweat it if whatever girl i end up with isnt a virgin (much less cultivate relationships with young girls so i can pick them when their ripe), but the feeling is definately there.

[YT2095]

A word of advice: Accept culture. Otherwise you'll just be wierd and uncool, cynic or not.

 

I`m sure quite WHO you directed that comment at, but I`m pretty sure Pitcairn Island had a similar CULTURE too, there were Very WEIRD and UNCOOL, and almost certainly CYNICAL about being Busted for it too!

 

just to highlight a few of your adjectives there

[Bettina]

he does have a point in that many girls are in fact psychotic, bitchy, manipulative whores.

 

Huh?....Et tu Brutus?

 

Bettina

[Callipygous]

confused about the ceasar reference... how is that an especially hurtful betrayal?

 

but i said many, not all, if thats what the problem is.

[1veedo]

Do any of you guys actually understand how male - female interactions really work? After all, we are in a science forum and this is a completely biological and psycological field.

 

Guys look for youthful looking women. That's it. And most of the time, the only thing a guy wants is sex. Men will also, normally, "cheat" on women if the opertunity arises. This is because, for a man, it is very economical to spread seed for many women and not just one.

 

Women on the other hand have a completely diferent idea about sex. They perfer to have one guy and for him to be fidelical. Think of it from a woman's point of view: If her "husband" has three families to support, then her resource are more limited. Eggs are big and scarce while sperm is ready. When a female is pregnent she can't concieve another child.

 

Because of this, evolution kicked in so that humans, unlike most species, will be "horny" or will have sex even during pregnancy. This keeps the guy interested.

 

Women don't actually juge a guy as much on his looks as guys do women. They're attracted to other things: Confidence, abition, chivalry, etc -- mainly personality. This is why women like rich guys: If you're rich then you're ambitious. You show a lot of confidence. Conservative, but ambitious. They look for the boyfriend, the relationship.

 

This developed over millions of years of evolution. For instance, the reason guys are better then women at math 6 to 1 is because men had to be able to feed their wife... The same skills required to catch game are also the same skills needed in math. If you couldn't support a family, you wouldn't be having sex with anybody. No children. Your Not-good-at-math gense don't get past down. However, if you can support a wife and children, then your good at math. Your genes are past down. There was never a need for women to hunt.

 

In a group (whatever) of lions, most of the sex is with the leader. The dominant males. While the other males in the group go with out. In fact, in almost every species of mammals it's like this. Even leaders of countries used to do this. They'd have a bunch of females with the only purpose of having sex with. To protect these girls laws were passed on monogamy. I remember one movie, during the middle ages, had a funny scene with unixes protecting a bunch of women... Even in the Bible, Kind David did this. In one story he sees an attractive female and eventually has her husband commanded to death in battle -- The general had everybody fall back while the enemy killed him.

 

And this is just the more sciency part of it. I could go on...maybe one of these days I'll write an article for the nerds of this forum that cant pick up women. To be completely honest with everybody, I've read a couple books

 

What's under everything is very different then what they appear. For instance, most guys think they have to buy gifts and kiss up to women. While some girls like being put on a pedestal most of them would prefer a relationship with somebody that wasn't always kissing up to them. Women like dominant men (remember the lions...). Just portray traits that are dominant (like confidence). If you back down from something you said because she seemed offended, you just lost a lot of respect. [pathetic voice] "Oh, oh. I'm sorry. Please don't be mad at me..." [/voice] (honestly, any woman want to back me up on this?) It could be a "test." It's all an act and she wants to find out if you have the balls to stand up for yourself.

 

If you don't want to wast money on gifts, this is how: Just let her know that you were thinking about her (but not by calling her every day*). Just be like "You know, I was thinking about you, and"...conect something, plane a date, whatever. If you really want to be chivalrous, send her gifts on unexpected, random days. Never on Christmas, but when she least expects it. Instead of giving a gift on her birthday, plan a fun day with her. Be unpredictable.

 

They may seem illogical at first but once you understand a little bit, interacting with the opposite sex becomes very easy. Look for a thread by me in the next couple weeks.

 

*The reason you shouldn't stick to her like glue is simple. Obviously it demonstrates lack of confidence, but if you're at a date and are always stuck to her and if you call her 4 times a day it shows that you're needy. Don't be needy. Whenever you call her for a date list off days that you're busy. The last date you mention isn't booked yet, and you can hang out with her then. But the second that you become always available you lose scarcity and thus loose attraction. You start to look needy -- needy for sex and now she doesn't respect you.

 

(again, any women? Back me up that you don't like needy guys drooling all over you...)

[Callipygous]

thats the most shallow, generalized, idiotic thing i have ever read.

 

especially this part: "Men will also, normally, "cheat" on women if the opertunity arises."

 

there is a word for such men: ASSHOLES.

 

evolution is not the governing force in the universe. decent people have control of their urges. its what seperates us from the apes.

 

if there was nothing behind human interaction besides evolution then yes, everything you wrote would be true. but fortunately most of us have this thing called sentience which allows us to make logical, moral decisions, as opposed to humping everything in sight as our evolutionary tendencies would dictate.

 

the rest of your post isnt quite as dispicable but is still based on a very narrow, shallow view of relationships and human interaction.

[Bettina]

thats the most shallow' date=' generalized, idiotic thing i have ever read.

 

especially this part: "Men will also, normally, "cheat" on women if the opertunity arises."

 

there is a word for such men: ASSHOLES.

 

evolution is not the governing force in the universe. decent people have control of their urges. its what seperates us from the apes.

 

if there was nothing behind human interaction besides evolution then yes, everything you wrote would be true. but fortunately most of us have this thing called sentience which allows us to make logical, moral decisions, as opposed to humping everything in sight as our evolutionary tendencies would dictate.

 

the rest of your post isnt quite as dispicable but is still based on a very narrow, shallow view of relationships and human interaction.[/quote']

 

Whew....I was going to let him have it, but you have said it much more wisely. Thank you, thank you.

 

confused about the ceasar reference... how is that an especially hurtful betrayal?

but i said many' date=' not all, if thats what the problem is.[/quote']

 

The ceasar reverence was just pointing out the other posts that depict us girls in a non flattering way. You may me correct, since I am not "worldly" and have a different perspective, so I don't know. I would hope thats not the case.

 

Bettina

[Callipygous]

The ceasar reverence was just pointing out the other posts that depict us girls in a non flattering way. You may me correct, since I am not "worldly" and have a different perspective, so I don't know. I would hope thats not the case.

 

it wasnt meant to depict "us girls" in a non flattering way, just some girls. im friends with several girls who dont fall under that catagory at all, but i have met a lot of girls that are unbelievable manipulative.

[Phi for All]

I could go on...maybe one of these days I'll write an article for the nerds of this forum that cant pick up women. To be completely honest with everybody, I've read a couple books

Perhaps you should be our Resident Sex Expert since you've, you know, read a couple of books.

hey may seem illogical at first but once you understand a little bit, interacting with the opposite sex becomes very easy. Look for a thread by me in the next couple weeks.

Is that a threat?

[Bettina]

Perhaps you should be our Resident Sex Expert since you've, you know, read a couple of books.

 

Hahahaha........I can hardly wait.

 

Bettina

[AzurePhoenix]

it wasnt meant to depict "us girls" in a non flattering way, just some girls. im friends with several girls who dont fall under that catagory at all, but i have met a lot of girls that are unbelievable manipulative.

Too true, too true. Just as many men are narcisistic prigs, many women are cold hearted witches. Of course there are nice ones among the rabble, but that doesn't mean that a few of the bad eggs aren't there, or even a scarily large proportion. Look at me. Bad egg to the tenth degree.

[Phi for All]

it wasnt meant to depict "us girls" in a non flattering way, just some girls. im friends with several girls who dont fall under that catagory at all, but i have met a lot of girls that are unbelievable manipulative.

Special pleading. There are manipulative men in equal numbers.

[MetaFrizzics]

Do any of you guys actually understand how male - female interactions really work? After all, we are in a science forum

"Oh Ace, you make me laugh!" (Ace Ventura When Nature Calls)

 

Don't you know the internet has changed everything? Men have 24/7 access the the hardest porn they can stand. And they download it by the ton.

 

20 years ago they were worrying about too many men turning gay. It's time to worry about intra-species STDs.

 

In the 80's Women's Liberationists dreamed of making men obselete, and keeping them as pets for studding purposes. Now everyone is obselete.

 

Jesus has less than a generation to come back and patch things up, or the big guy might as well stand aside and let Lucasfilms do the job for him.

 

Once again technology has come in to solve the problem of ensuring the rich get into your daughter's pants before anyone else.

[Phi for All]

Look at me. Bad egg to the tenth degree.

More special pleading. Nobody is bad or good all the time. Take people in context and remember our potential for any type of behavior.

 

There are burning birds who take care of other birds who've been burnt.

[Callipygous]

Special pleading. There are manipulative men in equal numbers.

 

 

if so i have not encountered many of them. i find men tend to use more direct/violent methods than the underhanded methods like manipulation. im sure there are examples of both in both sexes, but i think it shifted a little bit towards aggressive methods in men and the other way for women.

[1veedo]

especially this part: "Men will also, normally, "cheat" on women if the opertunity arises."

I was talking about in nature. Society carries a lot of memes. On top of this, most guys actually do have different opinions about dating more then one woman then most females do. This is because of the economical difference between men and women when it comes to passing their genes down to the next generation. Most guys don't actually cheat on women but this is because there is social pressure against it.

evolution is not the governing force in the universe. decent people have control of their urges. its what seperates us from the apes.

 

if there was nothing behind human interaction besides evolution then yes, everything you wrote would be true. but fortunately most of us have this thing called sentience which allows us to make logical, moral decisions, as opposed to humping everything in sight as our evolutionary tendencies would dictate.

That difference is, like I just said, modern society.

 

You guys just don't get this kidn of stuff, do you?

 

At the very least you guys have to accept the biological aspect as attraction. Trust me, to go back to my example: Next date do not cling to her like a some needy male wanting attention. Spend a bit of time a way from her. This is probably the most common mistake I see men making.

 

Girls like guys that are in control of their surrounding and themselves. They like dominant men. That's how nature works. The more masculine, cocky, and confident you are, the more women will respond emotionally to you. Women may demand things and act like a bitch but most likely this is all just a "test." If you're submissive, week, and shy, get over it. Walk a litle taller and be more self-centered. The reason women test guys is to see if he's in control. Most men mess up when girls start acting bratty. They'll say soemthing stupid like "Oh, I'm sorry..." and act very nervous. You just have to stay in control. Instead of getting nervious be like "Poor baby is throwing a temper tantrum."

 

Women like to be teased. For example, I like teasing dates about holding my hand. I'll take hers, maybe to lead her through a door, and then will acuse her of trying to hold mine. "No hand holding this early..." Later I might hold my hand out for her to take it then be like "No, really..."

 

It's all the inner game. If somebody tried to say the same things that they'v notice working for other guys, they may get a positive response from the woman. She may be acting interested and laughing her head off, but all she's really thinking is "Dance monkey, dance!"

 

Just trust me. Sometimes guys at my school will see me talking one on one with a girl and will ask me what I say to them. The thing is that most people are looking for lines. I can't just tell them all my stories because that doesn't help them in the long run. What other guys need to understand is the inner game, not the outer because eventually she'll find out that it's all just a show -- which demonstrates lack of confidence to the woman. Walk tall. Be a man.

[Callipygous]

You guys just don't get this kidn of stuff, do you?

 

i get it just fine. if i understand anything about this kind of relationship its the kind of crap your talking about. the psychological aspects that have been driven into us by evolution. i get it. men try to spread the seed, women want men who will stay around and protect them when the cougars attack. this isnt high level stuff your talking about here.

 

 

Girls like guys that are in control of their surrounding and themselves. They like dominant men. That's how nature works. The more masculine, cocky, and confident you are, the more women will respond emotionally to you. Women may demand things and act like a bitch but most likely this is all just a "test." If you're submissive, week, and shy, get over it. Walk a litle taller and be more self-centered. The reason women test guys is to see if he's in control. Most men mess up when girls start acting bratty. They'll say soemthing stupid like "Oh, I'm sorry..." and act very nervous. You just have to stay in control. Instead of getting nervious be like "Poor baby is throwing a temper tantrum."

 

or you could not make her think your an ass... either way.

 

theres a big difference between being confident and being a pig-headed asshole. just because you are sure of yourself doesnt mean you have to belittle her and treat her like crap.

 

but... your probably right. i should just be a dick and blow it off anytime shes upset. that and making sure not to give her a birthday present so she doenst think im predictable and lose interest and i should be good to go!

[1veedo]

It has to be in the right frame, that's the key. I gave the example of a girl thinking to herself "Dance monkey, dance!" The reason this guy doesn't have any respect is because he's trying to make her like him. Very different frame then just hanging out. I don't really want to get into body language (could go on forever) but that's what it amounts to. Voice , conversation frames, etc.

 

You could act like an ass-hole by saying "Poor baby is throwing a temper tantrum." -- If she really is pissed off and you're being serious. But there is always more then one way to say or imply something. If you just said something and she's acting offended then that sentence caries an entirely new meaning. That's where we're getting confused at.

 

I've seen studies that show only 25% of communication is actually in the words themselves. The rest of communication is in voice tone, body language, and frames. For instance if you say "Can I get through!" it can be interpreted as (sarcasm) "You're wasting my time and I'm annoyed at you" or, with less harsh tone and open body language, "Let me past." In the same way somebody can say something and make it funny or just sound retarded -- if they're nervous and say something that's witty or funny, then they just come across as sketchy. Same words, different language.

 

Try this:

Say aloud "Excuse me" like a formality, like you're annoyed, and like you want something from somebody. You can say it powerfully or you can say it week and timid. But it's the same phrase.

 

Comming across the Internet with out these kinds of frames and body language, I can see why you thought I meant something completely diferent.

 

I seriously do know what I'm talking about. Me and a friend like to go out and "hit" on women. I find this kind of stuff interesting; even, like I said, read a couple books. Not really on dating but on comunication, frames, NLP, etc.

[swansont]

You're giving chauvanism and misogyny a bad name...

[Callipygous]

wait... dont those already have a ba...?

 

ooooooh. i gotcha...