Trump's Permanent Condemnations

[Airbrush]

Trump is the only politician I have ever witnessed that casts permanent condemnations on people.  That is the childish way, the Nazi way.   It started with Rosie O'Donnell over a decade ago in 2006.  She criticized Trump for his treatment of beauty pageant participants, and he responded by calling Rosie a "LOSER"  as well at fat, stupid, ugly, etc.   That is when I realized that Trump was an idiot that became a billionaire.  I was perplexed at how could such an idiotic character become so wealthy?  Later I learned that was because his wealth was handed to him by his Dad on a silver platter.  He was pampered his entire life with enablers, yes-men, yes-women, and yes-lawyers, who all signed non-disclosure agreements, and agreed with.  No matter what he said, their reply was "Yes Donald, whatever you say Donald, great idea Donald."  That is why he has such a cartoonish personality disorder.

Loser is a permanent condemnation.  Whomever is a loser is a lost cause, irredeemable, and should be cast out.  He also makes permanent proclamations on the character of people with grammar-school-playground nick names, Crooked Hillary, Comey the "slime ball", Lyin' Ted Cruz, Liddle Marco Rubio, Low-Energy Jeb Bush, etc.  Illegal alien gangsters are "animals" which he makes it sound to his supporters like illegal aliens are all animals, especially if they are from "sh*t-hole countries", by ambiguous pronouncements.  But when it comes to blacks he attacks their intelligence:  Low-IQ Maxine Waters, Don Lemon the dumbest person on TV, those "sons of b*tches" NFL players kneeling, and now Omarosa is a "low life."  A low-life is a permanent condition.  How can a "low-life" ever be redeemed?

All of this is so anti-Christian that I'm baffled at his support from the Evangelicals.  Remember, you are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner?  This tells me Trump is an irredeemable, evil man.

[Phi for All]

32 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

That is when I realized that Trump was an idiot that became a billionaire.  I was perplexed at how could such an idiotic character become so wealthy? 

Let's be clear here. There are people who are very good at making money, the way others are very good at carpentry, or cleaning, or computers. I'm not sure Trump is one of those, though. When you already have a lot of money, it's easier to make more just because you have the capital to take advantage of good deals and great ideas.  Trump is probably a person like this, based on how many times he's filed for bankruptcy, and how badly he did running his casino business (where the odds are heavily in an owner's favor).

Trump is a hater, and a narcissist. People like that hear someone criticizing them, and they have to trash them to their core, in order to remove as much of the sting of truth as possible. But I disagree that his condemnations are permanent. All one has to do is apologize and kiss the butt, and he's more than happy to parade that person around as an example of a convert. It's just that many people have integrity, and refuse to pucker for tyranny.

[John Cuthber]

If Trump called me a low life, I'd get that fact printed on a T shirt.

The condemnations aren't just "not permanent" they are not meaningful.

[Airbrush]

47 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

…...But I disagree that his condemnations are permanent. All one has to do is apologize and kiss the butt, and he's more than happy to parade that person around as an example of a convert. It's just that many people have integrity, and refuse to pucker for tyranny.

His condemnations are INTENDED as permanent because they are issued in absolute terms.  You are correct that they are not necessarily in effect permanent.  Often times they are permanent.  He does not hate the sin, he hates the sinner.  That is the sophistication of an infant.  He does not criticize ACTIONS or JUDGMENTS by individuals, rather he condemns those persons as "low-life, animal, slime ball, low IQ, loser" etc, in abolutes. 

However, as you say, all one needs to do is kiss the butt and be returned to favorable status.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Airbrush

[Phi for All]

46 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

He does not hate the sin, he hates the sinner.

I really wouldn't put it this way. It's not a sin to disagree with Trump. 

He hates detractors, and thinks they hate him because he's always right. I'm sure he's developed a sense of whether or not someone is going to play ball with him, and those who won't get permanent condemnation. People like Obama, O'Donnell, and McCain.

[John Cuthber]

56 minutes ago, Airbrush said:

His condemnations are INTENDED as permanent because they are issued in absolute terms. 

Or he's just crass.

[iNow]

1 hour ago, John Cuthber said:

The condemnations aren't just "not permanent" they are not meaningful.

They are, however, used to activate the most rabid parts of his base and target specific individuals as enemies. It’s a form of dehumanization that’s spreading in frequency and scope. 

Just last night, for example, I was labeled a “blind sheep” by an alt-righter on the FB page of a family member.

I’m many things, but ideologically blind or part of a flock I’m not.

It was their way of dismissing me as subhuman (much like words such as SJW and libtard and even liberal itself are used) and they did this merely bc I asked them to clarify a comment they made about a person being a scum bag and cancer on the US. 

Edited August 12, 2018 by iNow

[Phi for All]

22 minutes ago, iNow said:

It was their way of dismissing me as subhuman (much like words such as SJW and libtard and even liberal itself are used) and they did this merely bc I asked them to clarify a comment they made about a person being a scum bag and cancer on the US. 

Without claiming it's all their fault, I do think this is one area where the media (not necessarily journalists) are complicit. With the pace of the average TV news show these days, being able to use a single word that you know will create multiple emotional attachments to keep viewers from changing the channel is big money for them. The private profit side of the media is only too happy to use dismissive phrasing and coded buzzwords instead of actual informative language. And of course, Trump's condemnation of the media is a constant way of grooming the stories published about him. Anti-Trump? FAKE NEWS! Pro-Trump? Honest journalism.

[Ten oz]

1 hour ago, Airbrush said:

His condemnations are INTENDED as permanent because they are issued in absolute terms.  You are correct that they are not necessarily in effect permanent.  Often times they are permanent.  He does not hate the sin, he hates the sinner.  That is the sophistication of an infant.  He does not criticize ACTIONS or JUDGMENTS by individuals, rather he condemns those persons as "low-life, animal, slime ball, low IQ, loser" etc, in abolutes. 

However, as you say, all one needs to do is kiss the butt and be returned to favorable status.

Trump has no moral compass. He is a narcissistic man with no integrity who lives in the moment. Permanence isn't relevant to him. Trump launched many insults at Kim Jong-un and then  began complimenting  Kim Jong-un soon as he felt it was beneficial for him to do so. Trump has no enemies or friends. People are all just a means to an end. People who are doing what he wants are good and people who aren't are bad. It is that simple. 

[NortonH]

Funny reading this thread that people are dismayed that when they attack someone that person might push back.

What sort of mindset do you grow up with when you cannot even see the obvious? Everyone sees it as a right to abuse, smear and misrepresent facts about Trump but are shocked when he responds. I guess that has never happened before. You see your political foes as punchbags with absolutely no right to retaliate. 

Well it seems that things have changed since the days of GWB so you had better get used to it.

What is also odd is that you seem to think that if someone is your political enemy then he has to be a cartoon baddy in all possible respects. Absolutely no positive qualities allowed.

Well here is some bad news - Trump was a self made billionaire long before he inherited 200M from his dad. That is just a fact. Can you deal with it or do you feel you have to misrepresent reality?

But it gets worse. Much worse. Under Trump the economy is booming and unemployment is way down. But it gets worse still. Unemployment for Blacks, Hispanics and Youth are all at all time low. So many of the people who have never worked before have now got jobs for the first time in their lives and most of them are NOT from privileged pampered middle class graduate communities who have the leisure to gripe about Trump on a website. 

Oh, and also, his dealings with Kim Jong Un have already yielded up the remains of some US servicemen who fell seventy years ago.

But of course the real problem is how he described Rosie oDonnel and that congresswoman who was trying to incite violence against republicans.

[Ten oz]

55 minutes ago, NortonH said:

Funny reading this thread that people are dismayed that when they attack someone that person might push back.

What sort of mindset do you grow up with when you cannot even see the obvious? Everyone sees it as a right to abuse, smear and misrepresent facts about Trump but are shocked when he responds. I guess that has never happened before. You see your political foes as punchbags with absolutely no right to retaliate. 

Well it seems that things have changed since the days of GWB so you had better get used to it.

What smears and misrepresent facts are you referencing? 

55 minutes ago, NortonH said:

But it gets worse. Much worse. Under Trump the economy is booming and unemployment is way down. But it gets worse still. Unemployment for Blacks, Hispanics and Youth are all at all time low. So many of the people who have never worked before have now got jobs for the first time in their lives and most of them are NOT from privileged pampered middle class graduate communities who have the leisure to gripe about Trump on a website.

Unemployment has steadily falling in the U.S. since 2010. There has been no appreciable change in the trend since Trump took office. 

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

 

55 minutes ago, NortonH said:

Oh, and also, his dealings with Kim Jong Un have already yielded up the remains of some US servicemen who fell seventy years ago.

Getting remains back does nothing to resolve the issues surround nuclear weapons, political assassinations, and human rights violations. Kim Jung-un's position, total power over NK's population, has only been legitimized and strengthen by the Trump admin.   

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Ten oz

[Airbrush]

7 hours ago, NortonH said:

1 - Funny reading this thread that people are dismayed that when they attack someone that person might push back.

2 - Everyone sees it as a right to abuse, smear and misrepresent facts about Trump but are shocked when he responds....

3 - What is also odd is that you seem to think that if someone is your political enemy then he has to be a cartoon baddy in all possible respects. Absolutely no positive qualities allowed.

4 - Well here is some bad news - Trump was a self made billionaire long before he inherited 200M from his dad. That is just a fact. Can you deal with it or do you feel you have to misrepresent reality?

5 - But it gets worse. Much worse. Under Trump the economy is booming and unemployment is way down. But it gets worse still. Unemployment for Blacks, Hispanics and Youth are all at all time low. So many of the people who have never worked before have now got jobs for the first time in their lives and most of them are NOT from privileged pampered middle class graduate communities who have the leisure to gripe about Trump on a website. 

6 - But of course the real problem is how he described Rosie oDonnel and that congresswoman who was trying to incite violence against republicans.

1  How is it that reporting what Trump says and does is attacking him?

2  Please give us some examples of how Trump has been misrepresented?

3  Trump does not "have" to be a cartoon baddy, he just often acts like one.  His behavior is cartoonish.

4  FALSE.  He was never a "self-made billionaire."  He inherited his dad's real estate empire.  Then he went bankrupt several times, only to be bailed out by the Russians.

"...Trump is the beneficiary of several trust funds set up by his father and paternal grandmother beginning in 1949.^[77] In 1976, Fred Trump set up trust funds of $1 million for each of his five children and three grandchildren; Donald Trump received annual payments from his trust fund, for example, $90,000 in 1980 and $214,605 in 1981.^[77] By 1993, when Trump took two loans totaling $30 million from his siblings, their anticipated shares of Fred's fortune was $35 million each.^[78][77] Upon Fred Trump's death in 1999, his will divided $20 million after taxes among his surviving children."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Wealth

5  All Trump gets credit for is not yet spoiling the trend that began and continued throughout Obama's admin.  Also he promised big tax cuts and deregulation to please the wealthy, by adding a Trillion dollars in debt.  Any idiot could have done that for a short-term fix.

6  When the feud between a comedian (Rosie O'Donnell) and a billionaire became public, the loser can only be the billionaire.

Could you now give us a few examples of what Trump calls "fake news"?  He never says WHAT is fake, just anything negative about him must be fake. 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Airbrush

[John Cuthber]

8 hours ago, NortonH said:

Well here is some bad news - Trump was a self made billionaire long before he inherited 200M from his dad.

That's exactly the sort of misrepresentation people despise Trump and his supporters for.
Trump was given a million dollars by his dad (long before his death). That was when Trump (Jr) was setting out in the world- about 50 years ago when a million was a lot of money

If he had just put that mony in the bank, he would have remained a very rich man

He managed to go bankrupt in spite of that.

So, there is no way you can honestly present him as a financial success or a "self made" anything.

Referring to the inheritance- when the real issue was the gift many years before  is dishonest.

8 hours ago, NortonH said:

Oh, and also, his dealings with Kim Jong Un have already yielded up the remains of some US servicemen who fell seventy years ago.

They have indeed- you may remember that Trump claimed that the parents of those servicemen had asked him to intervene.
In reality, almost all those parents must be dead. The soldiers who died were about 20 years old (or more) 70 years ago- so they would be over 90 years old if they were still alive. Any "parents" must be about 110 by now.

 

So Trump must have been lying when he said that.

Only a cartoon character, or Trump, would feel that he should lie about that.
 

8 hours ago, NortonH said:

Under Trump the economy is booming and unemployment is way down

 

The laws of economics are a bit flaky, but "supply and demand" is fairly reliable.
If there was a significant drop in unemployment then workers would become a relatively scarce resource.
And if that happened, the price of that resource- i.e. wages- would go up.
But it hasn't.

And that's because real unemployment is still high- it's just that the government refuses to admit it.
If you make it almost impossible to claim dole, then the dole lines get shorter.

But it doesn't mean those folk have jobs- it just means you stopped helping them look.

 

[Ten oz]

Trump's ongoing feud Omarosa Manigault Newman is a good example of how meaningless either a compliment or a condemnation is from Trump. Prior to their most recent public escapade Trump had fired Omarosa from his reality show a couple different times and the fall out has always been scandalous including back stabbing and name calling. Omarosa is one of Trump's favorite protagonists. He involves her in all his public ventures just so there can be drama. I will honestly be shocked if she doesn't hit the campaign trail with Trump in 2020. 

 

12 minutes ago, John Cuthber said:

That's exactly the sort of misrepresentation people despise Trump and his supporters for.
Trump was given a million dollars by his dad (long before his death). That was when Trump (Jr) was setting out in the world- about 50 years ago when a million was a lot of money

If he had just put that mony in the bank, he would have remained a very rich man

He managed to go bankrupt in spite of that.

So, there is no way you can honestly present him as a financial success or a "self made" anything.

Referring to the inheritance- when the real issue was the gift many years before  is dishonest.

A million dollars back in the 70"s is closer to 7 million today but it is more than that.He also had access to his old man's lawyers, accountants, advisers, fixers, and etc. A whole successful real estate infrastructure ready to go. Millions worth of logical support and services in addition to the cash he was given. 

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Ten oz

[NortonH]

Ten Oz, I suggest you read the descriptions of Trump in the media and from the 'celebrities' if you want to know what smears I mean. 
Or are you saying that this is the first you have heard of Trump being smeared, insulted etc?

You neglected to mention in your employment stats that there was a major adjustment by Obama in the way that the stats were measure when part time employment was lumped in with full time employment and given equal weight.
ie a fudge.

In any case the fact remains that employment really is up despite the claims that Trump would trash the economy.

I have to admit to an error earlier. The Democrats did actually manage 100% black employment a while ago before their scheme was destroyed by a republican president (Abe Lincoln)

You are desperate to play down Trumps success in DPRK. I guess it is all you can do. The fact is that Kim is already in ful control of DPRK and any progress we make there is a lot more than was achived by any previous administration. You seem to think that none of the problems you list even existed prior to 2016.

Airbrush,
As you well know Trump gets plenty of abuse. Why would you try to deny it? ODonnel calls him a traitor a racist and a pig so he responds in kind. What is the problem? You don't like it when someone pays back??

Misrepresented? One example from above - he was a self made bilionaire before he inherited anything. So why the need to misrepresent that fact?
YOu have just done it again with your point 4.
Trump was worth a billion when his dad died and left him 200M. 
You just cannot deal with the fact that someone you hate (despite not being able to tell us why) is also someone who is successful.

So you seem to be saying that Trump is building on the 'success' of Obama?
So what exactly did Obama do to create this 'success'?
Was it by making energy more expensive? Was it all the extra government workers? Was it be making healthcare more expensive? Banning gas fracking? Giving money to Iran? What was it??

Fake news?
What area? General? OK, the 'news' that Trump dumped all the carp food in the pond in Japan. That was memorable because apart from being false it showed that even the most trivial and unimportant detail is still going to be misrepresented by the media simply because they see that as their job. SO they have no credibility when it comes to more important stuff like the whole 'Russian Collusion' fiction. Two years and still not a shred of evidence!

 

Once again John is desperate to convince himself of the inheritance story.

Trump was loaned a million dollars and he turned it into a billion before his dad died.
Putting it in a bank would NOT have delivered that return.

Trump has not been bankrupt so that is another popular misrepresentation. Five of his businesses have failed. That is what happens sometimes. Given that he has started about 400 that is not a bad rate. In any case the smear is all that matters to you.

The fact that you can tell me that a self made billionaire is not a financial success is just ridiculous and goes back to what I said earlier - some people are so deranged that they cannot accept simple facts.
Trump is a billionaire and he did it himself, no matter how much you wish it were not so!

The family of servicemen asked him to intervene. The fact that you have to misrepresent that is just beyond lame.

And finally you try and tell us that the economy is doing nothing.

Well, if it makes you happy to convince yourself then keep clinging to it.

 

[Airbrush]

1 hour ago, NortonH said:

1 - Trump was worth a billion when his dad died and left him 200M. 

2 - So you seem to be saying that Trump is building on the 'success' of Obama?

3 - So what exactly did Obama do to create this 'success'?

4 - Fake news?  What area? General? OK, the 'news' that Trump dumped all the carp food in the pond in Japan. That was memorable because apart from being false it showed that even the most trivial and unimportant detail is still going to be misrepresented by the media simply because they see that as their job. SO they have no credibility when it comes to more important stuff like the whole 'Russian Collusion' fiction. Two years and still not a shred of evidence!

5 - Trump was loaned a million dollars and he turned it into a billion before his dad died.

6 - Trump has not been bankrupt so that is another popular misrepresentation. Five of his businesses have failed. That is what happens sometimes. 

1 - Please provide a source for this claim.

2 - The success of Obama is evident in the economic growth and decline in unemployment during his presidency.  Trump takes over and things continued the same way because the country was on autopilot, set correctly by Obama.  Trump did nothing to improve these except to promise massive tax cuts for the wealthy (charged as a Trillion in new debt).

3 - What Obama did for his success is a complex of things.

4 - Please give us a list of 3 nontrivial fake news that are commonly known.  Trump cries "fake news" everyday.  I searched the Koi feeding in Japan and still cannot be sure it was fake or not.  Does anyone know?

5 - Please provide your source for "Trump loaned a million dollars and turned it into a billion before 1999"

"...Trump is the beneficiary of several trust funds set up by his father and paternal grandmother beginning in 1949.^[77] In 1976, Fred Trump set up trust funds of $1 million for each of his five children and three grandchildren; Donald Trump received annual payments from his trust fund, for example, $90,000 in 1980 and $214,605 in 1981.^[77] By 1993, when Trump took two loans totaling $30 million from his siblings, their anticipated shares of Fred's fortune was $35 million each.^[78][77] Upon Fred Trump's death in 1999, his will divided $20 million after taxes among his surviving children."  

"Trump said that he began his career with "a small loan of one million dollars" from his father.^[81] He appeared on the initial Forbes 400 list of richest Americans in 1982 with an estimated $200 million fortune shared with his father.^[82] Former Forbes reporter Jonathan Greenberg stated in 2018 that during the 1980s Trump had deceived him about his actual net worth and his share of the family assets in order to appear on the list.^[83][84] Trump made the Forbes World's Billionaires list for the first time in 1989,^[85] but he was dropped from the Forbes 400 from 1990 to 1995 following business losses.^[82] In 2005, Deutsche Bank loan documents pegged Trump's net worth at $788 million..."

Where did the Billion dollars come from by 1999?  Is that a Billion in 2018 dollars?  Or 1999 dollars?

6 - "Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, but his hotel and casino businesses have been declared bankrupt six times between 1991 and 2009 in order to re-negotiate debt with banks and owners of stock and bonds.^[172][173] Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while negotiations proceeded. Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, "I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they're very good for me" as a tool for trimming debt.^[174][175] The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009)…"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Wealth

Edited August 19, 2018 by Airbrush

[NortonH]

Trumps book details his biography it is in there. 
I am not sure why you are arguing. The fact is that Trump is now worth about 5 billion and his dad ended with 200M so he is still more successful than the guy who you claim gifted him everything.

I asked you WHAT it was that Obama did that you claim are the cause of the current economic status. You cannot give anything other than vague platitudes. WHAT were the policies that led to this economic situation? Expensive energy? Is that the cause of the economic boom? 
You seem to imply that the economy is determined by the mere presence of a person rather than being able to define any particular policy.

3 - What Obama did for his success is a complex of things.

Great answer!!

If you do not know whether the ridiculous fish feeding story is fake news then that shows that you have deliberately avoided watching the full three minute video. 
An utterly trivial story but indicative that the MSM will misepresent even the most trivial story and so clearly cannot be trusted on ANY story now.

So now you want three fake news stories? Well there was the story of Trump snubbing the autistic kid that sent  J. K. Rowling into a tizzy before she finally apologized.
There is the story of the Russian hookers that was given massive worldwide coverage despite the total lack of any evidence. (Odd that salacious stories about Obama and Larry Sinclair in the back of a limo never got the same coverage, despite Sinclair testifying in person before a news conference)
There is the whole Russia Collusion story. Still waiting for evidence on that one.
The claim that Trump refused to accept the election result if he lost - fake news. He said no such thing.
The claim that he asked Russia to spy on clinton - fake news. He suggested he provide the stuff that they had probably already taken.
In both cases the reality is slightly adjusted to misrepresent the easily verifiable facts.
As you well know.

Glad you at least concede that he has never been bankrupt and Chapter 11 is not the same thing.

[iNow]

1 minute ago, NortonH said:

Glad you at least concede that he has never been bankrupt

Except when viewed in terms of character, integrity, and affection for fellow humans

You know, and also business and finance. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-first-presidential-debate/fact-check-has-trump-declared-bankruptcy-four-or-six-times/

[NortonH]

Just now, iNow said:

Except when viewed in terms of character, integrity, and affection for fellow humans

If a business fails then it fails. That is reality. I guess Trump is the only person in history to ever have a business failure.

By the way, four of the five failed ventures were in the gaming industry. To be honest I think that if you are investing in casinos and you lose there is a certain natural justice in that. 

In any case as far as character, integrity and affection are concerned at least you can console yourself with the fact that he is way ahead of the other contender for the 2016 presidential race.

[iNow]

15 minutes ago, NortonH said:

four of the five failed ventures were in the gaming industry. To be honest I think that if you are investing in casinos and you lose there is a certain natural justice in that. 

Natural justice? Perhaps. Natural business savvy? Nope.

He who can’t make money in a casino is inarguably a special kind of stupid. 

18 minutes ago, NortonH said:

at least you can console yourself with the fact that he is way ahead of the other contender for the 2016 presidential race.

It’s 2018. Stop trying to live in the past.

I’m not saying you’re unaware of this, but given your style and political stance it may bear reinforcemment... the south lost the civil war, too. 

 

[John Cuthber]

9 hours ago, NortonH said:

Once again John is desperate to convince himself of the inheritance story.

Not a bit of it.
You are the one who started talking about the inheritance . By the time Trump Sr died, Trump Jr was a very rich man.
And you say that "proves" that Jr was a successful businessman.

I'm pointing out that Jr got a hell of a lot of money from his dad some time in the 70s.

In spite of that, his businesses went bankrupt repeatedly.

Which shows he's not a great businessman.

His family connections let him "start again" repeatedly.

So his fortune is due to having rich friends, rather than any actual skill.

When someone points out "he was rich before he inherited" they are trying to shift focus from the loss of the original million and teh subsequent bailouts.

9 hours ago, NortonH said:

The family of servicemen asked him to intervene.

Via a seance?
 

 

6 hours ago, NortonH said:

By the way, four of the five failed ventures were in the gaming industry. To be honest I think that if you are investing in casinos and you lose there is a certain natural justice in that. 

Most people who look at gambling  work out hat the odds are stacked in favour of the house.
What does that say about the business skills of a man who can't run a profit in those circumstances?

6 hours ago, NortonH said:

If a business fails then it fails. That is reality. 

That pretty much sums up why- even if Trump were a good businessman, it's far from clear that he has the characteristics needed to be a President. A country can't be allowed to "fail" like that.

7 hours ago, NortonH said:

l more successful than the guy who you claim gifted him everything.

Nobody made that claim.

[Ten oz]

8 hours ago, NortonH said:

There is the whole Russia Collusion story. Still waiting for evidence on that one.

This sort of sums up you position of fake news. Anything you don't like you are calling fake. There have already been 35 indictments and 5 guilty pleas. Trump's own personal lawyer has rolled over on him and is claiming Trump new about the Russian hacks and meetings between his campaign and Russian officials. You can split hairs over which crimes were committed but to say your stilling waiting for evidence, as if none exist, is ludicrous. 

[Airbrush]

12 hours ago, NortonH said:

Trumps book details his biography it is in there. 
I am not sure why you are arguing. The fact is that Trump is now worth about 5 billion and his dad ended with 200M so he is still more successful than the guy who you claim gifted him everything.

Trump's book details his biography?  Please provide objective evidence (not from his book) that Trump earned a Billion dollars by 1999.  He was pampered his entire life.  Anyone with the wealth of their father could do as well as Trump or better.  Trump can barely read a teleprompter.  Trump supporters think "If he is a billionaire he MUST know what he is doing."  That's a fallacy.  Just from watching what he says and does, it seems like Trump does NOT know what he is doing.

About Obama's success.  He entered office after the great recession.  He saved the auto industry and pushed through policies that made the USA great again.  He was opposed every step of the way by congress and they promised to never work with Obama.  Then after 8 years of Obama, Trump jumps on board and takes credit for Obama's painstaking work.  You saw the economic trend line, there was no special improvement during Trump, just the SAME trend of general improvement, and that includes the long-touted massive tax cuts that added a Trillion to US debt.

You gave some weak examples of fake news.  JK Rowling apologized about something very trivial.  The Russian hooker story from the Steel Dossier has NOT been disproven.  Christopher Steel was very reputable, the British foremost expert on Russia.  Trump keeps saying, every day, "No collusion."  You know that "collusion" is a word that has no special legal significance?  In Trump's mind collusion means something like:  he never chatted with Putin every Saturday night.  We can see collusion of some kind (we don't know if it is criminal conspiracy) in the Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr, Manafort, Kushner, and the Russians.  Eric Trump said they got their money from Russia.

Please give us 3 better examples of nontrivial "fake news."

Funny how Trump talks.  Recently John Brennan criticized Trump.  That criticism was thoughtful, articulate, and reasonable.  It was later supported by over 70 members of the intelligence community.  In response Trump sounded like a 10-year-old contradicted himself in one sentence.  This is what Trump had to say about Brennan:  "I've never respected him, I've never had a lot of respect for him."  What is it?  Never ANY respect, or some respect, just not "a LOT of respect?"  He can't even talk straight in one short sentence.

For years the GOP kept repeating for years the mantra Obama lied about Obamacare in that "you can keep your doctor."  After 466 days in office (as of May 1st) Trump is credited with over 3,000 false or misleading claims, an average of 6.5/day.  So Trump is a thousand times as misleading as Obama.

"Seventy-two times, the president has falsely claimed he passed the biggest tax cut in history — when in fact it ranks in eighth place. Fifty-three times, the president has made some variation of the claim that the Russia probe is a made-up controversy. (If you include other claims about the Russia probe that are not accurate, the count goes to 90.) Forty-one times, the president has offered a variation of the false claim that Democrats do not really care about the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program that Trump terminated."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4e510c1abb84

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by Airbrush

[Airbrush]

On ‎8‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 2:01 PM, Ten oz said:

[Trump] also had access to his old man's lawyers, accountants, advisers, fixers, and etc. A whole successful real estate infrastructure ready to go. Millions worth of logical support and services in addition to the cash he was given. 

This is important to consider.  The infrastructure of Trump's real estate empire was established by his genius father before Donald graduated from college.  Trump rolled out of his bed of roses in his golden mansion to participate in his dad's business when he wasn't too busy tom catting around Queens and avoiding the draft.  That takes no genius at all.  Trump's genius is carnival barker and con artist.  There is room for only a few at the top of the New York real estate market, and Trump was one of the lucky few to be installed by his dad.

The latest blunder by Trump in a tweet was to call John Dean a "RAT!"  

"The failing @nytimes wrote a Fake piece today implying that because White House Councel Don McGahn was giving hours of testimony to the Special Councel, he must be a John Dean type 'RAT,'" Trump wrote, misspelling the word "counsel," as he often does. "But I allowed him and all others to testify - I didn't have to. I have nothing to hide...…"

This is a permanent condemnation because there is a very high probability that Trump and John Dean will never make amends and become friends.  I am 100% certain that Trump and Hillary Clinton will never become friends again.  This clearly means that Trump sympathizes with the criminal Nixon against the truth-teller, the whistle-blower, verified by White House tapes, John Dean, by called him a "RAT" because Trump identifies with organized crime and Russian oligarchs.   He is showing more and more of the crooked "don Corleone" inside him.

Norton, I can think of an example of "fake news" as described by Mike Huckabee when I was watching Fox News.  It was a Time magazine cover that showed Trump greeting the child of an illegal alien at the border, saying "Welcome to America."  The photo was of a crying child that was separated from her mother at the border.  It suggested that the child in the photo was STILL separated from her mother, when in fact they were already reunited.  Mike Huckabee called it "fake news" for that reason.  But the story is substantially true, just not absolutely, formally true.  Huckabee's example of "fake news" was FAKE!  Separations were occurring and many children were not being reunited with their parents, except for a lucky few, such as the child in the Time magazine photo.

I hope to see your new, revised list of 3 examples of nontrivial "fake news."  Thank you for your spirited debate! 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Airbrush

[Ten oz]

1 hour ago, Airbrush said:

  This clearly means that Trump sympathizes with the criminal Nixon against the truth-teller, the whistle-blower, verified by White House tapes, John Dean, by called him a "RAT" because Trump identifies with organized crime and Russian oligarchs.   He is showing more and more of the crooked "don Corleone" inside him.

The whole situation is very disgusting and has seriously altered the way I view both the Constitution and law. I always understood that on a certain level laqs we're arbitrary but believed somethings were concrete. Nothing is contrete. From the White House Trump repeatedly bullies (obstruction of Justice) the Attorney General, asst Attorney General, and the special counsel. He breaks the law in plain site and nothing happens. MSN takes an oppinion about how it people feel. Trump stood next to Putin and sided with him over his own intelligence community led by his own appointees and his approval rated didn't even blip. We know for a fact members of Trump's campaign knowingly met with Russian officials with the purpose of getting info, that at least one Trump advisor (Stone) had secret correspondence with Jullian Assange of WikiLeaks, all while Trump continued to claim "maybe it was China". These are matters of record. Either recorded or admitted to under oath yet Trump will still get his 2nd SCOTUS pick.