DandelionTheory Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) So I've only posted a few times. And I don't really like to think of myself as a physicist, just a thinker. I get concepts, I get how they relate to each other and somehow I see them play out as a whole. this is the basics of "dark matter" manipulation. if dark matter exists, we can conclude a few things about it: it does not directly interact with the electromagnetic spectrum. it is effected by gravity. so we can almost treat them like neutral particles that cannot carry charge or light conceptually. right? so hypothesis: this picture displays what ions would do if the green object was a wire going into the screen and the orange line below it is a positively charged, evenly spread ion emitter with mass close enough to be effected by the rotating dark matter's frame dragging effect. the magnetic field and dark matter is implied, i don't mean to go so far as to illustrate the frame dragging effect. I think the rotation of the positive ions stir around dark matter particles, and since there are more of them the need for angular momentum is met by sheer number and anything with mass close enough to be effected "falls" towards the direction of rotation, which is up. I would guess the wire needs to be physically attached to the ion emitter, like with a wood stick. the power applied to the wire is better as a high frequency dc pulse. It makes the ions curl better. What this clearly shows is what will the ion do to anything the ion doesn't run into?(hint: this is the question) Thank you for your thoughts. -DT Edited August 31, 2018 by DandelionTheory specificity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, DandelionTheory said: mass close enough to be effected by the rotating dark matter's frame dragging effect Do you have a reference that says there is any such thing? 3 hours ago, DandelionTheory said: I think the rotation of the positive ions stir around dark matter particles If dark matter is not affected by electromagnetic force, why would the positive ions have any effect? 4 hours ago, DandelionTheory said: the power applied to the wire is better as a high frequency dc pulse. It makes the ions curl better. Why do you think the ions will go round the wire? Why do you think a pulse will increase that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandelionTheory Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Strange said: Do you have a reference that says there is any such thing? Intensity 7 hours ago, Strange said: If dark matter is not affected by electromagnetic force, why would the positive ions have any effect? They still possess gravity. 7 hours ago, Strange said: Why do you think the ions will go round the wire? Why do you think a pulse will increase that? The right hand rule, and I didn't say increase I said "better". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: Intensity I asked if you have a reference for the "frame dragging effect of dark matter". Can you provide one? What does the random word "intensity" mean here? 54 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: They still possess gravity. How large is the gravitational effect of an ion on dark matter? How much will it change the dark mater particles speed? Quote I didn't say increase I said "better". What does "better" mean, in this context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandelionTheory Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Strange said: I asked if you have a reference for the "frame dragging effect of dark matter". Can you provide one? Ion craft. 2 hours ago, Strange said: What does the random word "intensity" mean here? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensity_(physics) 2 hours ago, Strange said: How large is the gravitational effect of an ion on dark matter? How much will it change the dark mater particles speed? I can't answer the strength of the gravitational effect from ion to DM, only that the ion needs to be close enough to pull the dm into the same general path as the ion. Because we are exploiting the frame dragging effect, not the magnetic or electric fields. The illustration points out that mass carriers in a group act like a solid rotating mass, when the mass carriers move past a reference point per unit of time. The difference I point out is the ions speed and therefore relative mass change with each pulse. "does "better" mean, in this context?" I am mistaken, not ion curve, the dark matter loop. I like to visualize it like an AC motor with small pulls combined into one continuous motion. Edited August 31, 2018 by DandelionTheory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: Ion craft. Peanut butter. I assume that posting random words means you cannot provide a reference to the "frame dragging effect of dark matter" ? So we can assume it doesn't exist. 16 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensity_(physics) Yes, I know what it means. Sigh. I mean how is it relevant to this thread. 17 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: I can't answer the strength of the gravitational effect from ion to DM, only that the ion needs to be close enough to pull the dm into the same general path as the ion. Do you have any evidence that will happen? 18 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: Because we are exploiting the frame dragging effect, not the magnetic or electric fields. I though we had established that there is no such thing. 18 minutes ago, DandelionTheory said: I am mistaken, not ion curve, the dark matter loop. What is a "dark matter loop"? I get the impression you are just making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandelionTheory Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Strange said: Peanut butter. i hoped you would look up something you're unfamiliar with. An ion craft is a toy that some people say is propelled by thrust from ions emitted from a wire towards an oppositely charged sheet of tinfoil with a rounded edge. odd how the rounded edge is essential, i would speculate that it is essential because its needed for even distribution of ions and not the attraction of them. I am implying that it is the emitter. 5 hours ago, Strange said: I assume that posting random words means you cannot provide a reference to the "frame dragging effect of dark matter" ? So we can assume it doesn't exist. Ion craft. (i joke) You can assume all you want, its not very scientific. We can agree all mass, when it has an angular momentum, produces a small frame dragging effect on the space around it. Thats MASS, not some witchcraft; and because it has mass, and because we would be attempting to make dark matter have angular momentum, it needs to be in a loop to keep the mass around, breh. I assumed in my hypothesis this was the case. 5 hours ago, Strange said: Yes, I know what it means. Sigh. I mean how is it relevant to this thread. i mean, for frame dragging to have a relevant effect on anything, it would have to be close to it. like almost on top of it, or right next to it like neutrinos seem to be >.> point being that's just the start, once you pulse the wire enough and get enough momentum from the dark matter/ions(thats dark matter AND ions, don't divide nothing...) that collect there over time its enough to make any mass close enough to be effected effected. 5 hours ago, Strange said: Do you have any evidence that will happen? i have youtube videos of ion craft in action, you can make one at home. The explanation, which is crap, is ion propulsion. i would now be reiterating what i said above when referring to your "Peanut Butter" comment. -DT Edited September 1, 2018 by DandelionTheory -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, DandelionTheory said: i hoped you would look up something you're unfamiliar with. Don’t be silly. I know what it is. But it has nothing to do with my question. So, last chance: do you have a reference for the "frame dragging effect of dark matter"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 hours ago, DandelionTheory said: An ion craft is a toy It is not a toy: Quote Ion thrusters (based on a NASA design) are now being used to keep over 100 geosynchronous Earth orbit communication satellites in their desired locations, and three NSTAR ion thrusters that utilize Glenn-developed technology are enabling the Dawn spacecraft (launched in 2007) to travel deep into our solar system. Dawn is the first spacecraft to orbit two objects in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter: the protoplanets Vesta and Ceres. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/about/fs21grc.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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