Von Neumann probes may be cause of origin of life

[cambrian_exp]

Von Neumann probes sent out to cultivate seeds of life through out galaxy may be the cause of origin of life on earth. just think that, we type 0 civilization can think of this.. then what ideas and technology civilization type III would be having. Or it is entirely possible that berserker probes may have caused mass extintions like that during dinosaurs, by delibrately sending astoroied to hit the earth so that life may not develop or remain under control or to sterlize the galaxy so that other intelligent civilization may not arise. Completing such project would take only half million year .

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_probe

[Bettina]

Von Neumann probes sent out to cultivate seeds of life through out galaxy may be the cause of origin of life on earth. just think that' date=' we type 0 civilization can think of this.. then what ideas and technology civilization type III would be having. Or it is entirely possible that berserker probes may have caused mass extintions like that during dinosaurs, by delibrately sending astoroied to hit the earth so that life may not develop or remain under control or to sterlize the galaxy so that other intelligent civilization may not arise. Completing such project would take only half million year .

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Bettina

[Aardvark]

Or it is entirely possible that berserker probes may have caused mass extintions like that during dinosaurs, by delibrately sending astoroied to hit the earth so that life may not develop or remain under control

 

The extinction of the dinosaurs opened up the ecological niches which allowed the evolution of species such as homo sapiens. Without that extinction event it is unlikely intelligence as we know it ,and thus civilisation, would have developed.

 

This seems to disprove the idea that a 'beserker' probe or some such variant was responsible for the dinosaurs extinction.

[Spyman]

Von Neumann probes would only push the problem with life arising further back, life must still have started somewhere for the probes to be created.

Life on Earth seems to have developed on random and any aliens creating these probes would most likely have some reason, thus such life should be engineered towards a purpose.

 

I find it easier and less complicated to belive life arised here.

 

 

When a Solarsystem with planets are born there must be some random chunks left over.

 

There are two hypotheses about how most of the asteroids formed. One says they broke off of a mother planet that existed between Mars and Jupiter. More likely, however, they represent what space was like before the planets formed, and they are the remnants of that process -- bits and pieces that never quite joined together.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/asteroids-ez.html

 

Since we are not extinct or under control suggests beserker probes neither have or are here.

(The beserker probes could hide dormant for some wake-up-call or still be on their way here, but then they can't have caused past extinctions.)

 

It is much more probably that the asteroids have changed course during collisions or by gravitationally influense.

 

So my answer is NO to both questions.

[cambrian_exp]

However, a possible explanation for why Earth still has life on it in the presence of berserker probes is that berserker probes, in order to remain energy efficient, remain dormant in space awaiting activation by a sign of intelligent life. One can assume that berserker probes are designed to eliminate advanced intelligences only. And that to civilizations like Phase II , which may be using gravitation waves as means of communication instead of radio waves or some other forms . This probes may be awaiting in our own solarsystem? who can tell? universe is so big and life can arise even in place like antartica !

[Spyman]

However, a possible explanation for why Earth still has life on it in the presence of berserker probes is that berserker probes, in order to remain energy efficient, remain dormant in space awaiting activation by a sign of intelligent life.

Well, the Sun is a good energy source, while the Sun is active there is no need to spare energy, and without the Sun it's unlikely that life would ever arise and evole.

 

One can assume that berserker probes are designed to eliminate advanced intelligences only.

Why, it's always easier to annihilate life before it becomes intelligent ?

 

And that to civilizations like Phase II , which may be using gravitation waves as means of communication instead of radio waves or some other forms .

I don't think we will ever use gravity waves for communication. Radio waves are cheaper and as fast.

 

This probes may be awaiting in our own solarsystem? who can tell? universe is so big and life can arise even in place like antartica !

There is no evidence for they not to excist, we have not yet explored our solar system good enough...

 

But if some alien technology is hiding out in our solar system it's not likely for it to be "evil":

 

- "Evil" would destory all life, not just intelligent. Life or intelligense is easier to destroy/prevent before intelligense arise.

 

- In a very short time, (in the scale of 4.5 Billion Years), we will be able to resist and counter attacks, so if they are here they have overslept or mailfunction.

(We are already intelligent and collecting knowledge at accelerating speed.)

 

- The Universe is huge but the Sun is only 4.5 Billion Years old, so the precense of our solar system is only known inside a radius of 4.5 Billion lightyears and it takes some time for the probes to get here too, so if they are here already they have arrived from inside a radius less than 2.25 Billion lightyears.

(Not so big, compared with a Universe with a radius of 78 Billion lightyears.)

 

So if there are any alien probes hiding inside our system, they are not waiting for the correct time to strike, (to late already), they would have some other purpose, and thus I would no longer call them Beserker probes.

 

Alien probes could be hiding to spy on us though:

 

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_alien_shostak_040122.html

 

sophisticated spy satellites from light-years away monitoring our planet, watching the slow evolution of life, and reporting back to their alien masters

(And those probes could be controlled self-replicating von Neumann machines.)

[danny8522003]

What would be the point in an advanced civilisation sterilising the Universe?

[Mokele]

Without that extinction event it is unlikely intelligence as we know it ,and thus civilisation, would have developed.

 

I dunno, some of the troodontid dinosaurs were getting up there in brain size. Given than in 65 million years we went from rats to SFN, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility (though intellect and civ are always improbable) that dinosaurs could have produced civilization, had they had the chance.

 

Mokele

[Rakista]

I believe in panspermia which is similiar. I had never heard of VN probes before but I have thought of such things as I'm sure others have.

[Ophiolite]

What would be the point in an advanced civilisation sterilising the Universe?

What would be the point in an advanced civilisation eliminating the biodiversity of its home planet by instigating the largest mass extinction event since the KT boundary?

[Aardvark]

What would be the point in an advanced civilisation eliminating the biodiversity of its home planet by instigating the largest mass extinction event since the KT boundary?

 

That would seem to be a result of short sighted stupidity rather than deliberate design.

[Ophiolite]

My point was that a Type II/Type III Kardashev civilisation might still be just about as dumb as humanity. e.g. "We know that when we employ the neutrino flux focus interface for instantaneous interstellar travel we tend to incinerate, by stellar flare, any planets in the Goldilock's zone, but it is such a convenient way to travel."