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Can science prove God ?

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Science proves God?  

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  1. 1. Science proves or increases the chance for a God to exist?

    • Yes
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    • No
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    • Don't know
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    • Is something that science can't properly explain
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    • Science disproves God
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mistermack
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So, so long as the facts and evidential support are safely stored inside your head, you are free to post without them? I suppose that's one of the benefits of moderating. 

mar_mar
mar_mar

Religion is a subtle topic, because there's so much subjectivity in it. The only objective knowledge about God is The Bible. And The Bible says that "Kingdom of Heaven is inside you". And everything i

mar_mar
mar_mar

When it's convenient you follow the rules, and when inconvenient - you don't. It's not honest. Face it. There are various names of God, many of which enumerate the various qualities of a Supr

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AIkonoklazt

AIkonoklazt

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p.s. this thread needs more memes

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  On 12/25/2023 at 11:44 PM, Bufofrog said:

Yes, a Geiger counter can be used to measure length.  My car is 15 Geiger counters long would be an example.

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Bet that's not the Geiger counter I'm talking about!

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swansont

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  On 12/25/2023 at 10:47 PM, AIkonoklazt said:

You took up the question, so now it's to you.

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OK. Why would you expect a Geiger counter to measure length? How is it you've heard the term Geiger counter but not know what it is such that this would be a reasonable question?

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p.s. this thread needs more memes

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No, not really

AIkonoklazt

AIkonoklazt

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  On 12/26/2023 at 12:06 AM, swansont said:

OK. Why would you expect a Geiger counter to measure length? How is it you've heard the term Geiger counter but not know what it is such that this would be a reasonable question?

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The same reason you expect science to do some metaphysical proof.

  On 12/26/2023 at 12:06 AM, swansont said:

No, not really

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Yes, really.

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swansont

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  On 12/26/2023 at 12:10 AM, AIkonoklazt said:

The same reason you expect science to do some metaphysical proof.

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Do I, in fact, expect this? What's your evidence of this?

Remember, it isn't true just because said so - that's not an argument. Back up what you say. (I read that somewhere)

 

Also, a Geiger counter could be used to measure a length, under certain conditions. Using it as a Geiger counter. It's not difficult to envision it, IMO, leveraginge the 1/r^2 nature of a point source of radioactivity.

AIkonoklazt

AIkonoklazt

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  On 12/26/2023 at 12:14 AM, swansont said:

Do I, in fact, expect this? What's your evidence of this?

Remember, it isn't true just because said so - that's not an argument. Back up what you say. (I read that somewhere)

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What do you mean? It's the title of the entire thread. Did I just miss someone doing it?

  On 12/26/2023 at 12:14 AM, swansont said:

Also, a Geiger counter could be used to measure a length, under certain conditions. Using it as a Geiger counter. It's not difficult to envision it, IMO, leveraginge the 1/r^2 nature of a point source of radioactivity.

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Not the Geiger counter I was talking about. I want one that measures in Geigers (see above previous screenshot)

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swansont

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  On 12/26/2023 at 12:21 AM, AIkonoklazt said:

What do you mean? It's the title of the entire thread. Did I just miss someone doing it?

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It’s not my thread, and 

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Not the Geiger counter I was talking about. I want one that measures in Geigers (see above previous screenshot)

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I’m really not in the mood to tolerate you being obtuse.

(I am reminded of the phrase The failure mode of “clever” is “asshole”)

So don’t expect my continued participation in this little game

AIkonoklazt

AIkonoklazt

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  On 12/26/2023 at 12:28 AM, swansont said:

It’s not my thread, and 

I’m really not in the mood to tolerate you being obtuse.

(I am reminded of the phrase The failure mode of “clever” is “asshole”)

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Obtuse? You mean the point in this entire thread where someone "proved God" via science?

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I'm reminded of "how many fingers am I holding up?"

You dehydrated?

  On 12/26/2023 at 12:28 AM, swansont said:

So don’t expect my continued participation in this little game

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It's not a game. The Internets is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

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mar_mar

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  On 12/25/2023 at 7:37 PM, zapatos said:
  On 12/25/2023 at 9:43 AM, mar_mar said:

life begins with the first heartbeat and the first breath.

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I'm glad to see you are pro-abortion.

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I assume, you mean some connection there, but, definitely, it is well hidden.

And what are you glad for?

  On 12/25/2023 at 8:43 PM, Bufofrog said:

It is your opinion that is what the Bible says.  There many Christians that think only humans have souls.  I was just curious what your take was.

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I can ask you questions on pure phisics, not religious, but you won't like that. And I was told not to bring this up. So, let The Bible for those, who want to read it.

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dimreepr

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  On 12/26/2023 at 8:35 AM, mar_mar said:

So, let The Bible for those, who want to read it.

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I've read the bible and the lessons are there for all to read, most of which don't really include god, well, not the good ones; the bad ones need a little more thought to understand the author's intention, and guess what, the author isn't god.

TBH mate, if you're hearing or seeing god, you'd be more likely to start a new religion.

Please feel free to preach your heart out, just please recognise the source of your enlightenment and let people make up their own mind; sometimes abortion leads to a sunlit upland, for the parent, and not the hell that child would have to suffer from a malicous/unprepared/unwilling/disinterested/unable parent...

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iNow

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  On 12/25/2023 at 10:47 PM, AIkonoklazt said:

Uh, what?

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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Non-Overlapping_Magisteria

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most proposed gods' alleged effects on the material world are, of course, material, and can be studied much in the same way that all science really just detects real-world cause and effect relationships. In this sense, critics reject the "non-overlapping" aspect of the two magisteria and conclude that if the two genuinely didn't overlap, supernatural entities would have no effect on the real world and thus their existence, or not, is a moot point.

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Phi for All

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  On 12/26/2023 at 8:35 AM, mar_mar said:

I can ask you questions on pure phisics, not religious, but you won't like that. And I was told not to bring this up. So, let The Bible for those, who want to read it.

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Just noting that most people who can't defend their assertions and are told not to bring it up again for that reason choose to view it as censorship, or that we don't want to discuss their idea because it's too challenging. I don't know what you're referring to, but if it was an admonition from staff, it's because you were unable to persuade anyone that your idea was valid. THAT is why you were asked not bring it up again. You don't get to use your idea in other threads if you can't defend it in your own.

 
iNow

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  On 12/26/2023 at 8:35 AM, mar_mar said:

So, let The Bible for those, who want to read it.

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I’ve read it several times. It’s a large part of the reason I’m an atheist today.

Did you have a specific section or at least book you’d like US to focus to focus upon seeking validation of YOUR point? Maybe at least define which of the numerous versions of “THE Bible” you’re “citing.”

And how come bibles don’t exist if the color red doesn’t exist? You’re horribly inconsistent to the point of absurdity. 

Phi for All

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  On 12/26/2023 at 3:56 PM, mar_mar said:

Ok. As your wish. I don't have an intention to prove or to preach anything. This is only a matter beliefs.

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In case you missed it, this is a SCIENCE discussion forum. Nobody asked you to PROVE anything. If you believe something and want to share it here, you need to show people that your idea has merit. THAT is what you've failed to do. 

Preaching may not have been your goal, but when you insist your faith is reasonable after we've shown evidence that it's not, it's clear that no amount of reason or critical thinking will persuade you. That's called Soapboxing, or Preaching. It's not confined to religion, either. Many people become adamantly convinced they're correct. Evidence is the deciding factor.

But that's pretty typical with faith-based beliefs. You're convinced you're right, and we're convinced you can't support your beliefs. And with each post you make, we see more evidence that supports our conviction. 

Even worse, you've set up this really damaged feedback loop, where you think your faith is weakened by questioning it. It's like an engineer who refuses to inspect a bridge because that would mean he doesn't trust it not to fall down. Do you find bliss in such ignorance?

 

zapatos

zapatos

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  On 12/26/2023 at 8:35 AM, mar_mar said:

I assume, you mean some connection there, but, definitely, it is well hidden.

 

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It is obvious unless you are purposely obtuse. You don't seem to be able to handle the level of discussion around here.

iNow

iNow

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  On 12/27/2023 at 3:20 AM, AIkonoklazt said:

"MOOT POINT," says the non-colander-donning hoomahn...

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A self-professed wiseman recently said (within the last 60 minutes, IINM):

 

Why are you replying if you don't have a point? Are you forgetting that "making a point" is "making a point regarding the topic at hand?"

Do you have the ability to not respond to a thread in which you have no actual argument to contribute to?

 

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AIkonoklazt

AIkonoklazt

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  On 12/27/2023 at 4:32 AM, iNow said:

A self-professed wiseman recently said (within the last 60 minutes, IINM):

 

Why are you replying if you don't have a point? Are you forgetting that "making a point" is "making a point regarding the topic at hand?"

Do you have the ability to not respond to a thread in which you have no actual argument to contribute to?

 

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Self-proclaimed? Certainly you jest!

Well, isn't the FSM still being in the sky somewhere the "point?" I don't see how anything being moot actually proving or disproving the existence of anything metaphysical, FSM included.

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