Johnnywong Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 DNA Declares Death of Darwin's DNA Declares Divine Design stop poison the youths by saying most scientists believe in chemical evolution. 4 Questions. 1. What is the probability of formation of DNA from atoms random collisions ? 2. What is the second law of thermodynamics and entrophy? what is the entrophy change in the formation of DNA from atoms. 3. Why there is no fossil records of the intermediate forms as suggested in evolution? 4.Commonsense story . Once upon a time there is Fatty acid-Tom called Fatty acid - Tommy to join together with other molecular brothers to form an insulin molecule because there is an insulin receptor waiting for us in the cell membrane ! (stranger than fiction !fairly tales! ) How can the carbon atoms know the function of insulin, Ha ! The carbon atoms may have a PhD like you! The only answer to the origin of Life , be honest ,we don't know . Just say we don't know .Don't use the silly evolution theory to fool the youths and laymen. Many scientists are hypocrite and liars to claim this foolish theory to secure their jobs ! -5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: 1. What is the probability of formation of DNA from atoms random collisions ? There were performed experiments in which inorganic gases were heated, cooled, liquefied, passed through thunderbolts, and after a while (just a couple days) in solution appeared amino acids and nucleobases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment This experiment also created also never existing in the nature compounds, not used by living organisms on the Earth. 40 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: 3. Why there is no fossil records of the intermediate forms as suggested in evolution? Classification of organisms is human-made. Evolution is smooth process. Any living organism is in the middle of this process right now. Fossils are created in special circumstances. Animal, plant or microbe must die in special way, to form fossil. If it's dying in normal circumstances, the all body is consumed by other animals, insects, fungi and microbes, and organic compounds are returning to cycle of life, reused by other organisms. The same question you can ask "where are the all bodies of Romans and other ancient people?". Some of them burned dead people bodies, so you won't find their fossils.. You can find e.g. bodies of people who drowned in swamps, frozen to death on glaciers etc. etc. They died in unusual circumstances. 40 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: DNA Declares Death of Darwin's Darwin had no idea about DNA. He created theory of evolution by natural selection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection Human is doing unnatural selection since invention of agriculture, thousands years ago. And currently existing cows, pigs, dogs, cats, are examples of this process. In natural selection this process happens without influence of human. Influence of environment has huge impact on species. Fast changing environment, will kill organisms. Slowly changing environment will allow organisms to adjust to it. Edited October 10, 2018 by Sensei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: The only answer to the origin of Life , be honest ,we don't know . Just say we don't know .Don't use the silly evolution theory to fool the youths and laymen. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the theory of evolution is not a theory of the origin of life. The theory of the origin of life is Abiogenesis and while as yet we have no evidence to support it, it is the only scientific answer as to how life first came to be. We may also throw in Panspermia with that, although as yet no evidence. The theory of evolution though is certain, and just to ruffle your feathers some more, if we like to take it back even further, the elements that go to make up all life were forged in the belly of stars. Yes, you Johnny are nothing but star stuff! Quote Many scientists are hypocrite and liars to claim this foolish theory to secure their jobs ! Many uneducated religious individuals, have been utterly brain washed and that find there way onto a science forums, are hypocrites, liars and uneducated fools. Edited October 10, 2018 by beecee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: Many scientists are hypocrite and liars to claim this foolish theory to secure their jobs ! My current job as a scientist (essentially outside the field of biology) would be pretty safe regardless of evolution. However, If I stopped paying attention to evidence- in the way the OP has-I'd be in trouble rather soon. 30 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: entrophy? Good question. Did you mean entropy? If so, what you have done is illustrate that you haven't done enough research to form a sensible opinion on the matter. What I don't understand is why the OP has come here and posted stuff that was addressed ages ago- at length. Surely they can't be dumb enough to think they are going to convince anyone of anything, so I guess it's just graffitti. It's the equivalent of writing the name of your favourite sports team on a wall with spray paint. Dumb, and antisocial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: The only answer to the origin of Life , be honest ,we don't know . That is correct. We don’t know. Although we have some good evidence what could be part of the process. The test of your post is just ignorant nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnywong Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Sensei said: There were performed experiments in which inorganic gases were heated, cooled, liquefied, passed through thunderbolts, and after a while (just a couple days) in solution appeared amino acids and nucleobases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment This experiment also created also never existing in the nature compounds, not used by living organisms on the Earth. Classification of organisms is human-made. Evolution is smooth process. Any living organism is in the middle of this process right now. Fossils are created in special circumstances. Animal, plant or microbe must die in special way, to form fossils. If it's dying in normal circumstances, the all body is consumed by other animals, insects, fungi and microbes, and organic compounds are returning to cycle of life, reused by other organisms. The same you can ask "where are the all bodies of Romans and other ancient people?". Some of them burned dead people bodies, so you won't find their fossils.. You can find e.g. bodies of people who drowned in swamps, frozen to death on glaciers etc. etc. They died in unusual circumstances. But the DNA has coded messages , how can randomness created meaningful messages.It doesn't make sense. But why there is only the intermedate forms missed in the fossil record ? 2 minutes ago, Strange said: That is correct. We don’t know. Although we have some good evidence what could be part of the process. The test of your post is just ignorant nonsense. THis is important because Like the World book 2018 for children said that chemical evolution is the most popular belief. And I think it will mislead the youths. I agreed with you . We don't know .The available evidence is veryvery remote to the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: But why there is only the intermedate forms missed in the fossil record ? Which one do you have on mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnywong Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, beecee said: Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the theory of evolution is not a theory of the origin of life. The theory of the origin of life is Abiogenesis and while as yet we have no evidence to support it, it is the only scientific answer as to how life first came to be. We may also throw in Panspermia with that, although as yet no evidence. The theory of evolution though is certain, and just to ruffle your feathers some more, if we like to take it back even further, the elements that go to make up all life were forged in the belly of stars. Yes, you Johnny are nothing but star stuff! Many uneducated individuals, that have been utterly brain washed and that find there way onto a science forums, are hypocrites, liars and uneducated fools. If you don't know something , how can you say this is the only scienticfic answer . You just say we don't know . And up to now science has failed to have the answer. Just now, Sensei said: Which one do you have on mind? All species Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: DNA Declares Death of Darwin's DNA Declares Divine Design stop poison the youths by saying most scientists believe in chemical evolution. 4 Questions. 1. What is the probability of formation of DNA from atoms random collisions ? Who claims they did result from random collisions? No one that know anything about chemistry or physics for sure... 2. What is the second law of thermodynamics and entrophy? what is the entrophy change in the formation of DNA from atoms. The second law only applies to closed systems, the Earth is not a closed system and order can arise from chaos, I've seen it, I can prove it. 3. Why there is no fossil records of the intermediate forms as suggested in evolution? The fossil record is flooded with intermediate forms, you need to stop listening to answers in genesis and maybe try out http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html 4.Commonsense story . Once upon a time there is Fatty acid-Tom called Fatty acid - Tommy to join together with other molecular brothers to form an insulin molecule because there is an insulin receptor waiting for us in the cell membrane ! (stranger than fiction !fairly tales! ) How can the carbon atoms know the function of insulin, Ha ! The carbon atoms may have a PhD like you! This is nothing but a strawman that illustrates your own ignorance... The only answer to the origin of Life , be honest ,we don't know . This would be true to an extent but we have a pretty good idea. Just say we don't know .Don't use the silly evolution theory to fool the youths and laymen. Evolution isn't the origin of life, evolution describes the origin of the diversity of life. Many scientists are hypocrite and liars to claim this foolish theory to secure their jobs ! And you are nothing but a conspiracy theorist and not a very good one... Your name should be johnnywrong... Edited October 10, 2018 by Moontanman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnnywong said: Quote Which one do you have on mind? All species ?? Intermediate ("missing fossil") means in between of two... Which one do you think is missing.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: But the DNA has coded messages , how can randomness created meaningful messages.It doesn't make sense. It isn’t random. You just think it is because you are ignorant. 7 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: But why there is only the intermedate forms missed in the fossil record ? They aren’t missing. You are just ignorant. 8 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: THis is important because Like the World book 2018 for children said that chemical evolution is the most popular belief. And I think it will mislead the youths. Telling people that it is the most popular hypothesis is probably true. So it isn’t misleading anyone. But what is this “Workd book for 2018”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: But the DNA has coded messages , how can randomness created meaningful messages.It doesn't make sense. No it does not, DNA is just chemicals, natural selection makes it seem like a code but we call it a code to make it easier to understand. 10 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: But why there is only the intermedate forms missed in the fossil record ? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html 10 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: THis is important because Like the World book 2018 for children said that chemical evolution is the most popular belief. And I think it will mislead the youths. Popularity doesn't have anything to do with it... 10 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: I agreed with you . We don't know .The available evidence is veryvery remote to the answer. We don't know the exact nature of lots of things but we can infer quite a bit using methodological naturalism. How would you explain the origin of life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Johnnywong said: If you don't know something , how can you say this is the only scienticfic answer . You just say we don't know . And up to now science has failed to have the answer. All species Because it is the only scientific answer...Or do you propose some sort of god? or magical spaghetti monster? Well then applying your own questions to that, how did that/it/he/she come about. And the question that never ceases to amaze me with you lot preaching creation and god, why then come to a science forum? What if I went to the local church next Sunday and started shouting god was a myth? Again what prompts you to get on your white charger and seemingly conduct some crusade on a science forum? Edited October 10, 2018 by beecee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) "Where are missing fossils?" Limestone mountains are shells of sea living organisms from Paleozoic. Crude oil is squeezed under high pressure dead bodies of organisms living millions years ago. Coal is the remains of trees and plants squeezed under high pressure millions years ago. Soil is the remains of living organisms from the past generations. Edited October 10, 2018 by Sensei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 ! Moderator Note Wow, it's easy to see how the OP came to so many wrong conclusions with such a lack of accurate information. Please study where others have pointed out your many misunderstandings, and if you still feel you have an argument, open a different thread. But only if you can support your arguments with evidence based on actual science. This thread is closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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