Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Mine is less mythical then your spacetime stuff that has no physical prove of being true only some numbers. My version is actually happening all the time and in plane site. you being confused on how drafting causes density changes is not my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: Spin that ball really fast like a planet then tell me what happens. That ball can spin much faster than the earth or any planet. The surface of a steel ball could exceed the earths rotational speed by many orders of magnitude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: Spin that ball really fast like a planet then tell me what happens. Drafting look it up. Its everywhere. Drafting in no way supports your claims. Gravity is the dominant force and is the one responsible for shaping the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Show me something sitting still attracting matter. Magnets can do this if they could sit still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: Mine is less mythical then your spacetime stuff that has no physical prove of being true only some numbers. My version is actually happening all the time and in plane site. you being confused on how drafting causes density changes is not my fault. Again you are incorrect, in fact satellite positioning systems have to take gravitational forces into account, those forces are calculated with gravity as a warping of space time.. Edited October 19, 2018 by Moontanman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Moontanman said: That ball can spin much faster than the earth or any planet. The surface of a steel ball could exceed the earths rotational speed by many orders of magnitude... Correct, Rpm. Now whats the surface speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: Mine is less mythical then your spacetime stuff that has no physical prove of being true only some numbers. My version is actually happening all the time and in plane site. you being confused on how drafting causes density changes is not my fault. Rubbish.....spacetime is seen to be warped, bent, twisted and even in the forms of undulations which we call gravitational waves. Your mythical claims are just that....mythical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Moontanman said: Again you are incorrect, in fact satellite positioning has to take gravitational forces into account, those forces are calculated with gravity as a warping of space time.. 5+5 = 10 So can 6+4. Whos wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: Show me something sitting still attracting matter. Magnets can do this if they could sit still. The gravitational pull of a large rock sitting still in relation to you can measured quite accurately and in same cases has to be measured to insure accuracy of instruments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, beecee said: Rubbish.....spacetime is seen to be warped, bent, twisted and even in the forms of undulations which we call gravitational waves. Your mythical claims are just that....mythical. seen by who and what optical bending was happening at those distances? -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: Correct, Rpm. Now whats the surface speed? No I am not talking about rpm, I am talking about actual surface speed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 I can bend light without using spacetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: 5+5 = 10 So can 6+4. Whos wrong? Both correct and both resulting from logical mathematics, or the language of physics, certainly not your unsupported, unevidenced mythical claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: seen by who and what optical bending was happening at those distances? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave Quote On 11 February 2016, the LIGO and Virgo Scientific Collaboration announced they had made the first observation of gravitational waves. The observation was made five months earlier, on 14 September 2015, using the Advanced LIGOdetectors. The gravitational waves originated from a pair of merging black holes.[7][8][9] After the initial announcement the LIGO instruments detected two more confirmed, and one potential, gravitational wave events.[10][11] In August 2017, the two LIGO instruments and the Virgo instrument observed a fourth gravitational wave from merging black holes,[12] and a fifth gravitational wave from a binary neutron star merger.[13] Several other gravitational wave detectors are planned or under construction.[14] 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: I can bend light without using spacetime. Not without a medium... Gravity can bend light because gravity is the warping of spacetime, a magnetic field cannot bend light... Edited October 19, 2018 by Moontanman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: seen by who and what optical bending was happening at those distances? At this stage it is obvious you are not interested in astronomy or cosmology and the observations of gravitational lensing, frame dragging and gravitational waves. All these are overwhelmingly supported by the evidence, despite you refusing to recognise that fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Moontanman said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave Not without a medium... water gases moving air fast enough those are all mediums not spacetime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: water gases moving air fast enough those are all mediums not spacetime damn man do you not pay attention? Gravity can bend light without a medium, a magnetic field cannot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: I can bend light without using spacetime. Light slows down in a medium and we see that as an apparent "bending"" eg...a straw in a glass.... 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: water gases moving air fast enough those are all mediums not spacetime Light follows geodesics in spacetime. While spacetime is not a physical entity, it is real enough and that is apparent in observing it to be warped, bent, twisted and waved. 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: damn man do you not pay attention? Gravity can bend light without a medium, a magnetic field cannot... I believe this is now simply trolling and denying the obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Moontanman said: damn man do you not pay attention? Gravity can bend light without a medium, a magnetic field cannot... Does it bend it or is the gravity moving the photons changing its direction? I kinda thought that the density of gases content of a planet or whatever is being observed would bend light or refract it. Like when you see heat rising you can see it blur light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Theredbarron said: Does it bend it or is the gravity moving the photons changing its direction? I kinda thought that the density of gases content of a planet or whatever is being observed would bend light or refract it. Like when you see heat rising you can see it blur light. The effects of heat rising or gasses or glass is a medium, they interact with light by reflecting it in some way, those things are matter. Gravity bends space time, light follows space time even though there is no matter there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Moontanman said: The effects of heat rising or gasses or glass is a medium, they interact with light by reflecting it in some way, those things are matter. Gravity bends space time, light follows space time even though there is no matter there... And How does this attract matter by bending light? I dont see the connection between light and us staying on the surface of Earth. It seems a little like fantasy when someone bases a theory on an observation of light when all the action is happening in front of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beecee Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: And How does this attract matter by bending light? I dont see the connection between light and us staying on the surface of Earth. It seems a little like fantasy when someone bases a theory on an observation of light when all the action is happening in front of us. [1] Mass/energy warps curves, or changes the geometry of flat spacetime. [2] When that happens, it is felt as gravity. [3] When spacetime is warped in the presence of mass/energy, light from a distant object will follow geodesics in that warped spacetime. [4] Even light itself will warp or curve the spacetime it is traversing but by an infinitely tiny amount not worth considering. [5]Earth warps/curves the spacetime within its vicinity. [6] We on Earth are caught in this warping/curving of spacetime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Theredbarron said: And How does this attract matter by bending light? I dont see the connection between light and us staying on the surface of Earth. It seems a little like fantasy when someone bases a theory on an observation of light when all the action is happening in front of us. The theory of gravity is called relativity, written by Einstein, it's not based on an observation of light although it did predict the bending of light by gravity... which has been confirmed many times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredbarron Posted October 20, 2018 Author Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: The theory of gravity is called relativity, written by Einstein, it's not based on an observation of light although it did predict the bending of light by gravity... which has been confirmed many times... So its just simply based upon matter existing? Can you give me a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just now, Theredbarron said: So its just simply based upon matter existing? https://www.space.com/17661-theory-general-relativity.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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