Will VR reduce the need to commute to work?

[Sensei]

1 hour ago, Raider5678 said:

I'm looking at it from the perspective that if the farmer can't afford to implement it in the first place, they're not going to go bankrupt trying to give people in third world countries jobs.

Ordinary farmer can't afford (or even doesn't dream about) building entire broadband Internet infrastructure in foreign country. But can afford to buy/lease (or outsource service of harvesting) agricultural RC drones, if somebody knowledgeable would build them and produce. Do you realize how much equipment for farm costs? Tractor costs $50k.. If single drone retail price would be $1k, cost of single tractor is enough to have fleet of 50 drones (and 50 workers controlling them from distance, who don't have to leave their families to earn money). I know Arduino and electronics needed for drone building from scratch, and their retail prices, and know that $1k retail price for ready product is way way too much (extraordinary income for producer).

[iNow]

You guys should discuss farming in another thread. Farmers aren't exactly the types who commute... you know, the folks the OP is asking about

[studiot]

2 hours ago, Sensei said:

Remote controlled flying drones can reach fruit tree tips in automatic mode, and just the last stage of precise cutting fruit from them is given for poor people from 3rd world countries via fast broadband Internet, which will earn them and their families money they require to survive, thus limiting economical migration to Europe and USA. IMHO it's smarter way to spend 20 billions of dollars on such remote controlled drones system to limit migration, than building a wall..

I'm suprised at you Sensei.

Weight.

A flying object has to consider weight.

Harvests are measured in hundreds or thousands of tonnes.

What was that about economics?

4 minutes ago, iNow said:

You guys should discuss farming in another thread. Farmers aren't exactly the types who commute... you know, the folks the OP is asking about

Although flying drones are not much used in farming,

Some modern farmers round here are experimenting for inspection purposes instead of 'walking the land'.

GPS controlled driven and driverless vehicles are being increasingly employed in the normal operations of arable farming.
They are not so much use in livestock farming.

[Raider5678]

13 minutes ago, Sensei said:

cost of single tractor is enough to have fleet of 50 drones

Except not the cost for setting up a cross-continental broadband internet service...

Also, 50 drones couldn't carry as much weight as a single tractor. Trust me. These things carry hundreds of tonnes at a time, and do it in a matter of hours. Drones make absolutely no sense to make, to expand it to africa, to set up broad band internet, and find a way to get enough computers and IT techs to Africa to help them make it, etc.

If America was globally socialist, sure, this idea would make sense. Simply force the farmers to do it at gunpoint. But it's not. And we can't force farmers to do something that's going to bankrupt them because it's a terrible idea.

The farming job can't be replaced with virtual reality. 

[Sensei]

37 minutes ago, studiot said:

Weight. A flying object has to consider weight.

Single apple has mass 250-300 grams. Single apple tree can have at max 100-120 kg of apples (300-500 pieces) (from what I found on farming forum). Flying drone is using its camera and computer on board to find apple (simple analyze of pixels from camera in the right colors), fly to it close enough automatically (up to e.g. 10 meters (height of tree) above the ground). Then control is took by human who can precisely cut fruit (transmission of drone's camera through Internet). Then control is took by computer and fly back to the ground where is waiting bigger container. Fruit is released. And everything is repeated. Drone at single round is doing at max. just 20 meters up-and-down route (double height of tree).

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by Sensei

[studiot]

25 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Single apple has mass 250-300 grams. Single apple tree can have at max 100-120 kg of apples (300-500 pieces) (from what I found on farming forum). Flying drone is using its camera and computer on board to find apple (simple analyze of pixels from camera in the right colors), fly to it close enough automatically (up to e.g. 10 meters (height of tree) above the ground). Then control is took by human who can precisely cut fruit. Then control is took by computer and fly back to the ground where is waiting bigger container. Fruit is released, and everything is repeated. Drone at single round is doing just 20 meters up-and-down route (double height of tree).

 

One thing we know about in Somerset is all things apple.

Somerset is known as the apple county and along with the Wyvern, the apple is our symbol.

Cider, scrumpy to those in the know, is of course our tipple.

It is not necessary to fly drones to harvest apples.

Special machinery straddles the trees, planted in appropriately spaced rows, and harvests the fruit in tonnes ( as Raider notes).

Some  apple farms are going back to the past experimenting with grazing animals between the rows for environmentally friendly reasons.

When I moved to Somerset was the first time I saw the sign up on a billboard "Sub Contract Orchard"

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by studiot

[Sensei]

I "invented" flying agricultural drones for cutting fruits when my grape covered neighborhood tree. Every single branch, up to 15 meters of height of tree, had bunches of grapes..

[Strange]

11 minutes ago, Sensei said:

I "invented" flying agricultural drones for cutting fruits when my grape covered neighborhood tree. Every single branch, up to 15 meters of height of tree, had bunches of grapes..

And how did that work out?

Or is "invented" in quotes because you never really did it. 

[iNow]

3 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

The farming job can't be replaced with virtual reality.

There is merit in Sensei’s point. Farming gets more and more automated everyday. 

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[Raider5678]

2 hours ago, iNow said:

There is merit in Sensei’s point. Farming gets more and more automated everyday. 

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This was my point though. Virtual Reality isn't going to replace farming. Automation will.

[iNow]

1 hour ago, Raider5678 said:

This was my point though. Virtual Reality isn't going to replace farming. Automation will.

They’re not mutually exclusive. 

 

[Endy0816]

I'm thinking it'll go further along the farmer as a remote manager route. I've seen VR(fields/equipment) used by schools not sure how useful it'd be on the job.

 

It'll really depend on the nature of the work as to how useful VR is in general. Networking, collaboration and training seem to be the best use cases for it at present.

[studiot]

10 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

This was my point though. Virtual Reality isn't going to replace farming. Automation will.

I have already agreed with the sentiment, but perhaps the English could read a little more in line with what you actually meant next time.

The thought of going down to the automation mart for a pound of nuts and bolts to fry up for dinner doesn't appeal.

 

[louispuckett]

i think skype and video call enough
or now a days just take number from the client and call him in whatsapp

[Raider5678]

17 hours ago, iNow said:

They’re not mutually exclusive. 

 

Of course, you're correct, however, I wasn't saying they were. The technology that will allow farming to be replaced with Virtual Reality will be more technologically advanced than the technology required to automate it.

However, virtual reality will require human operators, and automation will not. I don't see businesses which achieve full automation investing in virtual reality afterward.

[dimreepr]

17 hours ago, Raider5678 said:

Of course, you're correct, however, I wasn't saying they were. The technology that will allow farming to that with Virtual Reality will be more technologically advanced than the technology required to automate it.

However, virtual reality will require human operators, and automation will not. I don't see businesses which achieve full automation investing in virtual reality afterward.

 

However, that's not the question.

[Raider5678]

40 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

However, that's not the question.

But it's the answer to the question.

Farming will not be replaced with VR.

[Sensei]

12 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

Farming will not be replaced with VR.

It's more difficult (and more expensive) to build human-like android with full AI, than building remote controlled robot prepared just to single task..

[dimreepr]

19 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

But it's the answer to the question.

Farming will not be replaced with VR.

 

Who asked that?

[Raider5678]

3 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Who asked that?

Since you apparently can't read the entire thread, let me fill you in.

1. Sensei believes farming can be replaced with Virtual Reality.

2. I say it won't be because automation can do it cheaper and more efficiently. 

3. The inherent question is whether or not farming can be replaced with Virtual Reality. 

[iNow]

Meanwhile, the OP is asking about impact to commutes, and I don't know many farmers that commute from their home to their farm for more than about a quarter mile...

On 11/17/2018 at 4:38 PM, Obsessed With Gaming said:

Will VR reduce or eliminate the need to commute to work or school? What will happen if VR was to eliminate the need to commute to work. Less cars? Less office buildings? Less government funding for schools?

 

[studiot]

1 hour ago, iNow said:

Meanwhile, the OP is asking about impact to commutes, and I don't know many farmers that commute from their home to their farm for more than about a quarter mile...

 

Yup +1, farmers are only (a small part) of the story.

[Strange]

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