THE MERGING THEORY OF TIME

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THE THEORY ABOUT TIME

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[JOSES]

 

                          THE MERGING THEORY OF TIME

Over the years there have been great advancement in Science to enhance our understanding of TIME, notably among them is the theory of Relativity by the Great Albert Einstein of old. From the biblical perspective there are a lot on how the world and time begun, such is the Science perspective of the Big Bang Theory from which everything begun.

We all as Physicists are familiar with these equations;

1. Velocity=Distance/Time                2. w=Revolution/Time          3.E=mc2 (square)

These equations say a lot about time, as they are the foundation for how time begun and how our world started. Based on the above these theories were deduced.

1.       It is debated that Time is an Illusion; yes it is because of how we have understood it till now.

2.       TIME is actually an accumulation of Repetitions. Although events change/happen with time, time however is not dependent on events. On earth, time is just a 24hour cycle which accumulates to form days, weeks, months and years. The 24hour is always a cycle although can be counted as Days. Everything in the past happened within our present 24hour cycle.

3.       There can therefore never be a Time travel to the past or Reversing Time as Time is always a Repetition. The events that occur in the past occurred within the same Time as today. The past is just an accumulation of the 24hr cycles.

4.       Travelling faster than the speed of light (law of Relativity) will allow you see your current time ahead of your local time however one can’t see the events that will occur beforehand, as time is independent of the events. Time is just a repetition. Previous trends can however allow you predict events that will happen in the near future.

 

5.       Time can be definite and indefinite.  From the equation;

                                        TIME=DISTANCE/VELOCITY

                                        TIME=REVOLUTIONS/ANGULAR SPEED

When velocity is zero, time is infinite. Our Earth spins continuously, supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution, there will be no time on earth. Similarly all living things and non-living things (contain molecules and atoms that are in motion) will cease to change/transform when there is no motion externally or within them.

6.       For TIME to be definite (exist) hence it requires there should be motion and distance (space).

7.       For our 24hour cycle to change implies there should be a change in the speed of Rotation or Size of the Earth.

8.       Before the Beginning of the World (Time indefinite) there could have been a mass/object that had no motion (external or internal) but still be in Space (distance).

9.       Ones this mass moves either externally or by its internal constituents time should start.

10.   From the Big Bang Theory which suggests there was a large cosmic explosion suggests there was a mass/object before this.

11.   Similarly from Einstein’s equation E=mc2 for there to be such energy to produce a Big Bang there should have been a mass/object and the existence of light.

12.   That is before the SUN came to existence to produce light.

13.   From the biblical perspective there was an empty Earth (mass) without form, heavens (space) and darkness. When the Word went forth as let there be light

14.   The now existence of light and mass could give the Explosion energy (Big Bang) as it is from Einstein’s equation

15.   The creation of light begins the formation of time; light is as old as the beginning of time.

16.   The biblical perspective of End time is possible when motion (velocity) is zero, thus making time indefinite as said in the Bible and where there will be no light.

17.   As it is now, there are only theories on what causes our Earth and other planets to rotate and revolve around the sun.

18.   Our Human senses are limited hence technology has made us aware of the existence of other spectrum of Electromagnetic wave, similarly there could be the existence of other unperceived occurrences yet to be demonstrated scientifically.

19.   We cannot eliminate the existence of the unseen only because we cannot perceive them now.

These theories are open to scrutiny and any future findings to disprove it. However it is my desire that the Physicist body will take these theories to deeper thoughts.

 

Dr Vuvor Kafui Joses

Bachelor of Sciences—University of Ghana

MBChB -------University of Ghana Medical School

 

 

[Ghideon]

12 minutes ago, JOSES said:

Our Earth spins continuously, supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution, there will be no time on earth. Similarly all living things and non-living things (contain molecules and atoms that are in motion) will cease to change/transform when there is no motion externally or within them.

Hello. I have two initial questions:
When things are sent into space and therefore no longer follow earth rotation, they will cease to change/transform? Do you have a reference for the claim?
How did matter transform to create planet earth if no change/transformation is possible before the rotation of earth?

 

Edited November 25, 2018 by Ghideon
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[JOSES]

The Universe also keeps expanding (moving) hence change /transformation continues.. Its not just about planet earth all other planets rotates and revolves around the sun. For there to be Energy to transform the universe there should have  been  the existence of light and as such matter(mass) per Albert Einstein. 

[beecee]

2 hours ago, JOSES said:

       

1.       It is debated that Time is an Illusion; yes it is because of how we have understood it till now. 

Albeit a stubborn one to finish the phrase....The question as to whether time is real is certainly debated...I am in the yes camp...time is real, space is real, spacetime is real...they may not be physical entities, but they are still real enough. Time stops everything from happening together...space stops everything from being together and spacetime is warped, twisted in the presence of mass and which we interpret as gravity. Is time fundamental appears to be even more profound.....http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/10/18/is-time-real/

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2.       TIME is actually an accumulation of Repetitions. Although events change/happen with time, time however is not dependent on events. On earth, time is just a 24hour cycle which accumulates to form days, weeks, months and years. The 24hour is always a cycle although can be counted as Days. Everything in the past happened within our present 24hour cycle.

hours, days, weeks, years etc, are just our way of measuring the passage of time.

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3.       There can therefore never be a Time travel to the past or Reversing Time as Time is always a Repetition. The events that occur in the past occurred within the same Time as today. The past is just an accumulation of the 24hr cycles.

Actually there can probably never be any time travel to the past, because to do that we would need to exceed "c"the universal speed limit.

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When velocity is zero, time is infinite. Our Earth spins continuously, supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution, there will be no time on earth. Similarly all living things and non-living things (contain molecules and atoms that are in motion) will cease to change/transform when there is no motion externally or within them.

No, that is wrong. Time will continue to pass, in all examples of which you are given...the universe will continue to move towards a probable process of decay and dying. Even if the universe was static as it was once thought to be before Hubble and the BB, Time would still pass.

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6.       For TIME to be definite (exist) hence it requires there should be motion and distance (space).

If you are saying that if space did not exist, neither would time, then yes I agree, as time and space evolved at the BB.

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7.       For our 24hour cycle to change implies there should be a change in the speed of Rotation or Size of the Earth.

Our 24 hr cycle is changing and will until a 24 hr period is equal to a lunar period [a month] and the Earth will have one side permanently facing the Sun.

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8.       Before the Beginning of the World (Time indefinite) there could have been a mass/object that had no motion (external or internal) but still be in Space (distance).

Before the beginning, [the BB] there was no time or space as we know them.

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9.       Ones this mass moves either externally or by its internal constituents time should start.

Wrong. 

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10.   From the Big Bang Theory which suggests there was a large cosmic explosion suggests there was a mass/object before this.

The BB suggests nothing of the sort. The BB was simply the evolution of space and time from t+10-43 seconds.

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11.   Similarly from Einstein’s equation E=mc2 for there to be such energy to produce a Big Bang there should have been a mass/object and the existence of light.

We don't know what caused the BB or the expansion/evolution of space and time, but before that, there was nothing, no space, no time as we know them.

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12.   That is before the SUN came to existence to produce light.

Light existed long before the Sun started to undergo fusion...In fact light spread throughout the universe at around 380,000 years post BB.

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13.   From the biblical perspective there was an empty Earth (mass) without form, heavens (space) and darkness. When the Word went forth as let there be light

The bible is not a science book, more a mythical gathering of legends, hear say and other nonsense.

 

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These theories are open to scrutiny and any future findings to disprove it. However it is my desire that the Physicist body will take these theories to deeper thoughts.

You do not have any theories, you have thoughts and hypotheticals, some based on pure nonsense with regards to the bible, others just plain wrong.

And obviously you are in the wrong section.

Edited November 25, 2018 by beecee

[JOSES]

2 hours ago, beecee said:

 

 

2 hours ago, beecee said:

Albeit a stubborn one to finish the phrase....The question as to whether time is real is certainly debated...I am in the yes camp...time is real, space is real, spacetime is real...they may not be physical entities, but they are still real enough. Time stops everything from happening together...space stops everything from being together and spacetime is warped, twisted in the presence of mass and which we interpret as gravity. Is time fundamental appears to be even more profound.....http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/10/18/is-time-real/

hours, days, weeks, years etc, are just our way of measuring the passage of time.

Actually there can probably never be any time travel to the past, because to do that we would need to exceed "c"the universal speed limit.

No, that is wrong. Time will continue to pass, in all examples of which you are given...the universe will continue to move towards a probable process of decay and dying. Even if the universe was static as it was once thought to be before Hubble and the BB, Time would still pass.

If you are saying that if space did not exist, neither would time, then yes I agree, as time and space evolved at the BB.

Our 24 hr cycle is changing and will until a 24 hr period is equal to a lunar period [a month] and the Earth will have one side permanently facing the Sun.

Before the beginning, [the BB] there was no time or space as we know them.

Wrong. 

The BB suggests nothing of the sort. The BB was simply the evolution of space and time from t+10-43 seconds.

We don't know what caused the BB or the expansion/evolution of space and time, but before that, there was nothing, no space, no time as we know them.

Light existed long before the Sun started to undergo fusion...In fact light spread throughout the universe at around 380,000 years post BB.

The bible is not a science book, more a mythical gathering of legends, hear say and other nonsense.

 

You do not have any theories, you have thoughts and hypotheticals, some based on pure nonsense with regards to the bible, others just plain wrong.

 

2 hours ago, beecee said:

 

it is of the wrong notion that time prevents things from happening together,time is independent of events. its only possible
to have time because the universe (earth) is in motion and it covers be it a linear or an angular distance. on earth time is just
approx a 24hr event. on Venus the sun rises from the west and settles in the east and it also takes 116d 18h 0m.
on earth its approx the same 24hrs that repeats itself and accumulates to be erroneously termed the passage of time. time is definite on the 
earth and thats 24hrs (different from all planets), its accumulation is not progression, it only repeats itself.

time travel to the past is also impossible due to the repetitions, however time travel to the future may be possible but within 24hours.
anything beyond the earths 24 hours is impossible as time will repeat itself. future events during this travel cannot be seen because time is independent to events.

for this well known equation to be true
time=distance/velocity . time can only be infinite when the universe stands still. for the universe to even decay it will occur within time.

the 24 hour cycle yes changes depending on the angular velocity of the earth. however this is negligible considering how long the earth has been
in existence.

the earth can never have its one side facing the sun forever. what happened to newtons first law.

the BB was not what created light , however as i said earlier the nonsense of let there be light meant the coming to existence of light and time.
without the existence of light per E=mc2 ,there would have been no energy for the big bang to occur.
pure nonsense it may seem now. but these so-called nonsense will be one day taught by you.

[beecee]

16 minutes ago, JOSES said:

 

 

it is of the wrong notion that time prevents things from happening together,time is independent of events. its only possible
to have time because the universe (earth) is in motion and it covers be it a linear or an angular distance. on earth time is just
approx a 24hr event. 

Firstly thanks mods for shifting this nonsense to the appropriate section.

No, it is actually a factual albeit basically simple notion. The important question re time, is is it fundamental.

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time travel to the past is also impossible due to the repetitions, however time travel to the future may be possible but within 24hours.
anything beyond the earths 24 hours is impossible as time will repeat itself. future events during this travel cannot be seen because time is independent to events.

I already agreed time travel to the past is impossible as one would need to exceed "c". Future time travel is not necessarily confined to any 24 hr period. Unless you have some reputable link to support that.

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for this well known equation to be true
time=distance/velocity . time can only be infinite when the universe stands still. for the universe to even decay it will occur within time.

Time had its beginning at the BB along with space. We have no indication that the universe will ever stand still, only the matter within to decay to its most basic fundamental parts.

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the 24 hour cycle yes changes depending on the angular velocity of the earth. however this is negligible considering how long the earth has been
in existence.

Well that's an improvement on saying that time will stop. 

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the earth can never have its one side facing the sun forever. what happened to newtons first law.

Sorry, wrong...If the earth survives the giant red phase of the Sun, in around 5 billion years, the Earth's rotation period will be equal to its orbital period and have one side facing the Sun.  

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the BB was not what created light , however as i said earlier the nonsense of let there be light meant the coming to existence of light and time.
without the existence of light per E=mc2 ,there would have been no energy for the big bang to occur.

Nonsense. The BB evolved space and time and later matter and energy including light/photons. 

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pure nonsense it may seem now. but these so-called nonsense will be one day taught by you.

Would you like to supply a reputable link to support any of what you have claimed? Or did you simply dream it all up.

1 hour ago, coffeesippin said:

    s you say you are a firm disbeliever in the bible, BeeCee,

No, I said the bible was nonsense, and unscientific to boot. One may as well refer to Puss in Boots as a reference.  

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by beecee

[StringJunky]

3 hours ago, beecee said:

Albeit a stubborn one to finish the phrase....The question as to whether time is real is certainly debated...I am in the yes camp...time is real, space is real, spacetime is real...they may not be physical entities, but they are still real enough. Time stops everything from happening together...space stops everything from being together and spacetime is warped, twisted in the presence of mass and which we interpret as gravity. Is time fundamental appears to be even more profound.....http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/10/18/is-time-real/

hours, days, weeks, years etc, are just our way of measuring the passage of time.

Actually there can probably never be any time travel to the past, because to do that we would need to exceed "c"the universal speed limit.

No, that is wrong. Time will continue to pass, in all examples of which you are given...the universe will continue to move towards a probable process of decay and dying. Even if the universe was static as it was once thought to be before Hubble and the BB, Time would still pass.

If you are saying that if space did not exist, neither would time, then yes I agree, as time and space evolved at the BB.

Our 24 hr cycle is changing and will until a 24 hr period is equal to a lunar period [a month] and the Earth will have one side permanently facing the Sun.

Before the beginning, [the BB] there was no time or space as we know them.

Wrong. 

The BB suggests nothing of the sort. The BB was simply the evolution of space and time from t+10-43 seconds.

We don't know what caused the BB or the expansion/evolution of space and time, but before that, there was nothing, no space, no time as we know them.

Light existed long before the Sun started to undergo fusion...In fact light spread throughout the universe at around 380,000 years post BB.

The bible is not a science book, more a mythical gathering of legends, hear say and other nonsense.

 

You do not have any theories, you have thoughts and hypotheticals, some based on pure nonsense with regards to the bible, others just plain wrong.

And obviously you are in the wrong section.

Beecee, this is not the way to treat a first time poster. Just because we see it everyday doesn't give us the right to be like this when they are not obviously being obnoxious or preaching.

[beecee]

38 minutes ago, coffeesippin said:

Joses .. you're a BA in Sciene .. BeeCee has no fomal scientific education.  You be the judge of who is the most qualified to talk nonsense.  

The advantage I have my friend, is that I am able to sort the wheat from the chaff and tell when someone is posting in terrible angst. Take it easy my friend.

11 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Beecee, this is not the way to treat a first time poster. Just because we see it everyday doesn't give us the right to be like this when they are not obviously being obnoxious or preaching.

The problem I have is all these first timers, inevitably post in the sciences, when it is painfully obvious where they should be posting. And of course referencing the bible is surely conducive then to someone having or posting with an agenda afoot?

But you being a respected member here, I will try and chose my words more carefully and post in less haste in future.

Edited November 26, 2018 by beecee

[StringJunky]

33 minutes ago, beecee said:

The advantage I have my friend, is that I am able to sort the wheat from the chaff and tell when someone is posting in terrible angst. Take it easy my friend.

The problem I have is all these first timers, inevitably post in the sciences, when it is painfully obvious where they should be posting. And of course referencing the bible is surely conducive then to someone having or posting with an agenda afoot?

But you being a respected member here, I will try and chose my words more carefully and post in less haste in future.

Thank you, kind Sir. 

[Ghideon]

Thanks for your reply! I would like some furhter clarifications regarding this before moving on to other parts of your paper. The following two statements seems incompatible:

1: from your paper

10 hours ago, JOSES said:

supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution, there will be no time on earth. Similarly all living things and non-living things (contain molecules and atoms that are in motion) will cease to change/transform when there is no motion externally or within them.

2: from your reply

10 hours ago, JOSES said:

The Universe also keeps expanding (moving) hence change /transformation continues..

I have three alternatives*, a,b and c. Are one of them correct or do you have some other explanation?

a: When earth rotation and revolution stops accordijng to (1) it only has an effect on the time for allvon earth. 
b: (1) is more of a general analogy or example; time for things on earth and in other  places do not experience any change until all movement, expansion etc has stopped in the whole universe. Stopping only earth rotation and revolution will have no effect at all on earth living things and non-living things. 
c: (1) is not stating what was intended and needs to be edited.

 

Note: I do not say that any of the alternatives are what I believe happens or is something mainstream science suggests. It is only my attempt at understanding the consequences of specific statements in your paper.

Edited November 26, 2018 by Ghideon
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[Eise]

11 hours ago, JOSES said:

TIME=DISTANCE/VELOCITY

Without the context what you are talking about, such an equation says nothing.

The correct context is that an object is moving. Written as 'DISTANCE=VELOCITY x TIME' it says how far (DISTANCE) an objects has traveled, depending on its VELOCITY and the TIME we are considering. If the VELOCITY is 0, then it will travel no distance at all.

Written as you do (TIME=DISTANCE/VELOCITY) the equation says how long an object with a certain VELOCITY has traveled, given the DISTANCE it traveled. But when the VELOCITY is 0, it will have traveled 0, so you get 0/0, which is undefined. Any answer will do: take 10 seconds: according to your first equation, we get: DISTANCE = 0 m/s x 10 s = 0. So 10 m/s does it. But 100 does it too. Any value for TIME will do. Which makes perfectly sense. When an object is not moving, it will travel no distance at all, it does not matter how long you wait. That's all. 

[JOSES]

Ghideon. 

From Newtons theory the planets are kept in orbit by the equal forces of attraction and repulsion. For the Earth to stop its rotation and revolution it implies the sun(light) would have been no more. Similarly all other planets will also stop their rotation and revolution. As it stands now there is no single force capable of stopping only the earths motion. The only time the earth and other planet will remain still is when there is no sun, consequently when this happens time will be infinite and this is incompatible with life and motion of of any molecule or atom.

[swansont]

8 hours ago, beecee said:

 The problem I have is all these first timers, inevitably post in the sciences, when it is painfully obvious where they should be posting. And of course referencing the bible is surely conducive then to someone having or posting with an agenda afoot?

I don't think it's painfully obvious, and discussion of their agenda is not on-topic. You are free to believe what you will, but the discussion is supposed to be about the science, or lack thereof.

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13 hours ago, JOSES said:

 2.       TIME is actually an accumulation of Repetitions. Although events change/happen with time, time however is not dependent on events. On earth, time is just a 24hour cycle which accumulates to form days, weeks, months and years. The 24hour is always a cycle although can be counted as Days. Everything in the past happened within our present 24hour cycle.

What about radioactive decay? What is repeating there?

 

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When velocity is zero, time is infinite.

Is this a function of velocity, or is it only when v = 0?

 

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Our Earth spins continuously, supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution, there will be no time on earth. Similarly all living things and non-living things (contain molecules and atoms that are in motion) will cease to change/transform when there is no motion externally or within them.

An object that we see moving at constant velocity is at rest in its own frame of reference. So that notion is not going to work.

 

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6.       For TIME to be definite (exist) hence it requires there should be motion and distance (space).

Again, I will ask how this can be applied to radioactive decay. Or any atomic/molecular relaxation. An excited atom in its own frame is at rest. Will it not emit a photon?

 

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7.       For our 24hour cycle to change implies there should be a change in the speed of Rotation or Size of the Earth.

The earth's rotation is slowing down. But we keep the 24 hour notation anyway, and insert leap seconds to preserve it.

 

 

[Ghideon]

Thanks! Lets continue the discussion:

1 hour ago, JOSES said:

As it stands now there is no single force capable of stopping only the earths motion

I did not suggest that the earth can be stopped. I asked in context of the situation described in your paper:

13 hours ago, JOSES said:

supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution, there will be no time on earth

Please describe in detail what physical mechanism you refer to in your paper and how that mechanism works. Not how the earth will be stopped but the effect the stopping will have on time. Or, at least, please answer: 
Supposing the Earth stops its Rotation and Revolution: Does that, according to your theory, have an effect only on the time for all all living things and non-living things earth?

1 hour ago, JOSES said:

For the Earth to stop its rotation and revolution it implies the sun(light) would have been no more.

No. Earth would continue to rotate around its own axis if the sun would suddenly disappear.