*LIVE IRC DEBATES* Debate #1

[JPQuiceno]

Me and dave on irc got together and decide to try and start holding LIVE debates on irc. Today we held our first. It wasnt the greatest, it happned on the spot, and didnt really have strong points/counterpoints.

 

But bear with us, it is very exciting as their can be feedback, and audience questions!

 

*Please not that the debate is Herme3 VS schrodngr's_cat (schrodngr's_cat used the alias "reverened fagel"

 

The topic was : Windows better than *nix O/S'es

 

Debaters: herme3 VS

 

Here is the first one:

 

<herme3> Ok, well I've used Microsoft Windows for many years. I've watched it improve over the years, and I can't think of anything bad to say about Windows XP. I admit it had a few bugs, but all of them seem to have been fixed from Windows update. Linux, however, has so many compatibility issues with almost all the software and hardware that I have. All of that works perfectly on Windows XP.

* JPQuiceno : You have 8 minutes. If you wish to finish early, please let me know.

<herme3> I would like another operating system if I thought it was better than Windows. However, I have tried other operating systems and had many problems. Even before I started posting on the Linux thread, I had used Linux and UNIX. Both of them seemed to have bugs. Meanwhile, Windows XP always seems to run smoothly.

<herme3> Even though I know how to work around many of these bugs, I don't understand why I would waste the time. I could accomplish more by using Windows XP.

<herme3> I have used Windows XP on a HP Celeron processor. If that had been my only experience with Windows XP, I would delete it and install the first other operating system I could find.

<herme3> After using Windows XP on some more high-quality computers, I realized that the problem wasn't Windows XP. It was the computer.

<herme3> Linux may not require as much computer power, but that doesn't make it better. Windows XP might be more high-tech and therefore require more computer power.

* d1337rev is now known as super1337reverendpimpguy

* JPQuiceno : You have 2 minutes.

<herme3> I really like Windows XP. It just seems more stable than anything I used. I never had it freeze on my best computer.

<herme3> I've used FreeBSD and Windows XP on my best computer. Windows XP ran much more smoothly.

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v herme3

<JPQuiceno> Great round.

<JPQuiceno> I would like to remind the audience and debaters again

<JPQuiceno> that this is our FIRST debate

<JPQuiceno> and was a tad bit unorganized

<JPQuiceno> next debates will have threads

<JPQuiceno> and the accepters will meet here

<JPQuiceno> and debate

<JPQuiceno> ok

<JPQuiceno> now it is fagels turn

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +v Reverend_Fagel

<Reverend_Fagel> ok

<JPQuiceno> you will start in 2 minutes

<JPQuiceno> at 10:05

<JPQuiceno> 1 mintute

<Reverend_Fagel> can i say somthing first

<JPQuiceno> sorry no

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v Reverend_Fagel

<JPQuiceno> in 1 minute

<JPQuiceno> you can speak

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +v Reverend_Fagel

<Reverend_Fagel> i am sorry for any spelling errors i may type

<JPQuiceno> Begin. You have the floor.

<Reverend_Fagel> Ok first of all I would like to mention that windows XP a froze about 15 times scince i bought it in late 2003 yat knoppix hd_install)

<Reverend_Fagel> has froze 1 time in the 3 months i have had it

* dave is now known as dave|zzz

<Reverend_Fagel> now also linux will run on just about any computer you can possiblly find therefore making it cheaper to use than a like-windows box

<Reverend_Fagel> and while linux may not have all of the bells and whistles that windows has it runs faster than windows does with the EXACT same hardware

<Reverend_Fagel> and the "linux user explosion" has only recently occured you could compare Linux develompent -wise to a early windows 98

<Reverend_Fagel> and best of all linux is FREE

<Reverend_Fagel> thats it im done

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v Reverend_Fagel

<JPQuiceno> Great run.

<JPQuiceno> Ok thats the end of round 2.

* Capn_Refsmmat has quit IRC (Quit: Have fun debating)

<JPQuiceno> I will give each debater a 5 minute break to prepare their speeches.

<JPQuiceno> Use it wisely and attack the others weakness

<JPQuiceno> at 10:15

<JPQuiceno> in 4 mins

<JPQuiceno> get ready!

<JPQuiceno>

<JPQuiceno> 1 minutue

<JPQuiceno> then its herme3's turn

<JPQuiceno> each will have a 10 minute time then the other

<JPQuiceno> then after a 5 minute closing speech

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +v herme3

<JPQuiceno> You have the floor. proceed.

<herme3> Windows XP froze about 5 times on me in one hour. I was using a HP Celeron computer. That isn2019t a very good computer. My computer is a top-of-the-line Compaq. I2019ve had it for about a year, and it never

froze on me. Not one time! I had some programs stop responding, but the task manager terminated them. No problem.

<herme3> Yes, I know that Compaq is owned by HP. However, the Compaq products are much higher-quality...

<herme3> Anyway, I also have an old Compaq from 1999.

* JPQuiceno : Please stay on topic.

<herme3> When I first installed Windows XP, it was slow and unstable.

<herme3> However, instead of giving up my compatibility, I upgraded it.

<herme3> After $300.00 I have a fast computer with Windows XP.

<herme3> It also has never frozen.

* super1337reverendpimpguy is now known as pimpschizzle

<herme3> I mean, since I upgraded everything...

<herme3> I'm also happy to say ALL of my software is working with Windows XP. I couldn't say the same about FreeBSD, or any other Operating System.

<herme3> I can also enjoy the Windows Media Player. I just downloaded 3 CDs worth of songs from the MSN store. That is something that I couldn't do with FreeBSD.

<herme3> I've never had any problems with IE. However Firefox would not let me file complaints at StormPay.

<herme3> Netscape wouldn't let me into certain chat rooms.

<herme3> I haven't had ANY of those problems with IE.

<herme3> I am a computer specialist, and I have used Windows XP a lot. I know what I am talking about when I said it was a good operating system.

<herme3> I've setup networks with Windows XP at major companies. They are all very happy with Windows XP.

<herme3> Windows XP is also very easy to repair. With system restore, you can fix almost any operating system error, and not lose any of your documents, pictures, etc.

* JPQuiceno : 2 minutes remain.

<herme3> It is organized. Even if you are a computer-genius, who wants to waste time finding something that is easy to find in Windows XP?

<herme3> Just because you can do something the difficult way, doesn't mean you should. Windows isn't made for unintelligent people. It is made for people who want to accomplish more in less time.

<herme3> When Windows XP freezes, I'm sure it is a computer problem. Not a Windows XP problem.

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v herme3

<JPQuiceno> Good run.

<JPQuiceno> Now it is fagels turn.

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +v Reverend_Fagel

<JPQuiceno> You have 10 minutes

<JPQuiceno> at 10:26 your time is up

<JPQuiceno> Proceed.

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -o dave|zzz

* quartz sets mode: +o dave|zzz

<Reverend_Fagel> the problems with the other browsers u had

* pimpschizzle is now known as herme4

<Reverend_Fagel> are from the fact that 90% of the internet is written for IE and most likely does not meet the standards set forth by the W3C

<Reverend_Fagel> the widly regnoigzed authority on web standards

<Reverend_Fagel> now for your "media" issues buying the cds themselves would have been cheaper and you can rip the on just about ANY media player

<Reverend_Fagel> you are right about 1 thing widows wasnt made for "unintelligent " people just people who like everything to be but in a confusing order

<Reverend_Fagel> thats it im done

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v Reverend_Fagel

<JPQuiceno> Ok

<JPQuiceno> Finishing arguements.

<JPQuiceno> Herm3

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +v herme3

<JPQuiceno> 5 minutes

<JPQuiceno> until 10:35

<JPQuiceno> proceed.

<herme3> Well, about the music. It might be cheaper to buy an entire CD than to buy each song by the band.

<herme3> But my CDs had different bands on it. It was a lot cheaper to just download my favorite songs, than to buy each CD from each band.

<herme3> And why would the browser standards mean anything to the average user? If you want to use StormPay, and Firefox isn't working with it, you are still going to wish you had IE.

<herme3> You can't just go find a version of the site that follows the standards. The average user will just need to find a browser that works with what they need.

* Retrieving #debate modes...

<herme3> It would be great if sites followed the standards. The truth is that they don't, so you need a browser that works with the sites.

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v herme3

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +o Reverend_Fagel

* Reverend_Fagel slaps herme4 a few times

<JPQuiceno> You have until 10:41

<JPQuiceno> proceed

* JPQuiceno sets mode: +v Reverend_Fagel

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -o Reverend_Fagel

<Reverend_Fagel> no i would not wish to have IE because i performed an experiment

<Reverend_Fagel> I used IE for 3 Months doing my normal surfing, (finding cd-keys, program cracks and reading news online) and and 14 viriuses

<Reverend_Fagel> same thing w/ firefox 2 viruses both from dowloaded materals not gerneral surfing

<Reverend_Fagel> and the cracks and cd-keys were for RESEARCH purposes only

<Reverend_Fagel> if all web sites followed standards the internet would be a better place

<Reverend_Fagel> im finishede

* JPQuiceno sets mode: -v Reverend_Fagel

<JPQuiceno> Good run.

<JPQuiceno> I would like to congratualte both debaters.

<JPQuiceno> The log will be posted on the forums

<JPQuiceno> Good day to you.

<JPQuiceno> Congratulations

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Look forward to more live debates!

[Rakdos]

Im am Reverend_Fagel

 

 

and may i suggest a poll and ask who won??

[ydoaPs]

there should be an IRC Debate subforum of the debate forum

[JPQuiceno]

I believe dave is working on a debate IRC bot.