Just wondering Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Prove to me that I exist. What can be said to make one believe that anything exists at all? Is there any solid proof that this is real?
zapatos Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 We cannot prove you exist. We cannot "make" you believe anything, We can only provide evidence.
Strange Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 13 hours ago, Just wondering said: Prove to me that I exist. What can be said to make one believe that anything exists at all? Is there any solid proof that this is real? You don't exist.
StringJunky Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Just wondering said: Prove to me that I exist. What can be said to make one believe that anything exists at all? Is there any solid proof that this is real? The best we can offer is to have an intersubjective agreement that you or anything exists outside of our individual internal spaces. Quote Intersubjectivity" is a term coined by social scientists as a short-hand description for a variety of human interactions. For example, social psychologists Alex Gillespie and Flora Cornish list at least six definitions of intersubjectivity (and other disciplines have additional definitions).[1] "Intersubjectivity" has been used in social science to refer to agreement. There is "intersubjectivity" between people if they agree on a given set of meanings or a definition of the situation. Similarly, Thomas Scheff defines "intersubjectivity" as "the sharing of subjective states by two or more individuals."[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity Edited March 3, 2019 by StringJunky 1
Akmose Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 I would say you need to do a little internet research. Maybe start with, Cogito ergo sum is a Latin philosophical proposition by René Descartes usually translated into English as "I think, therefore I am". "Wikipedia" You can never be one hundred present certain of anything. Anything is possible the real question is the probability. Take me, I'm a artificially intelligent toaster oven. Your all part of my elaborate dream.
StringJunky Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Akmose said: I would say you need to do a little internet research. Maybe start with, Cogito ergo sum is a Latin philosophical proposition by René Descartes usually translated into English as "I think, therefore I am". "Wikipedia" You can never be one hundred present certain of anything. Anything is possible the real question is the probability. Take me, I'm a artificially intelligent toaster oven. Your all part of my elaborate dream. The OP's scenario is from a different perspective i.e. not 'Do I exist?', but 'Do they exist?'.
Akmose Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, StringJunky said: The OP's scenario is from a different perspective i.e. not 'Do I exist?', but 'Do they exist?'. I think the first question is prove I exist. 14 hours ago, Just wondering said: Prove to me that I exist. What can be said to make one believe that anything exists at all? Is there any solid proof that this is real? The last part of my reply was more inline with the last two questions.
StringJunky Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, Akmose said: I think the first question is prove I exist. Yes, but your reply was to the subjective 'I think therefore...' His question pertained to him from our perspective. Prove that he exists. 1
Akmose Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, StringJunky said: Yes, but your reply was to the subjective 'I think therefore...' His question pertained to him from our perspective. Prove that he exists. The only way to prove to him that he exists is to have him prove it to himself. He must learn go see his own doubts and thoughts as proof. There is no answer anyone could provide that would be believed by him. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
StringJunky Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Akmose said: The only way to prove to him that he exists is to have him prove it to himself. He must learn go see his own doubts and thoughts as proof. There is no answer anyone could provide that would be believed by him. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. My earlier offering is basically the 'scientific method' in different words. We can only go on the preponderance of evidence and besides, 'proof' is for mathematicians.
Akmose Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, StringJunky said: My earlier offering is basically the 'scientific method' in different words. We can only go on the preponderance of evidence and besides, 'proof' is for mathematicians. I feel that it doesn't matter anyways. I don't see OP still on the board. Maybe the topic and replys will help someone else who stumbles on to it.
StringJunky Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, Akmose said: I feel that it doesn't matter anyways. I don't see OP still on the board. Maybe the topic and replys will help someone else who stumbles on to it. True.
yuanxue60616 Posted March 9, 2019 Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) the first thing is how self conscious exist. it need a definition of it. then talk about how to prove it. Edited March 9, 2019 by yuanxue60616 missing some words
Itoero Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 5:45 AM, Just wondering said: Prove to me that I exist. I can take a photo and show it to you. On 3/3/2019 at 5:45 AM, Just wondering said: What can be said to make one believe that anything exists at all? Is there any solid proof that this is real? The fact that you use words that our ears or eyes can observe 'proofs' your existence since words have an origin. We life in a sense in an agreed upon reality. Our senses enable us to be self aware.
StringJunky Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Itoero said: I can take a photo and show it to you. The fact that you use words that our ears or eyes can observe 'proofs' your existence since words have an origin. We life in a sense in an agreed upon reality. Our senses enable us to be self aware. As I said earlier, it's based on intersubjective consensus
Mans Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) Your question shows that you exist, though we can't see you. Basically, the object that shows itself by a sign, it proves that it exists. Non-existences haven't any sign and track. For example, black holes in the space are not visible at all but scientists can recognize their existence by their side effects. So the existence of every thing whether visible (like you) or invisible (like air) is recognized by the effects that are issued from it. Edited April 5, 2019 by Mans
Sensei Posted April 5, 2019 Posted April 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mans said: Your question shows that you exist, though we can't see you. ...what with A.I., A.G.I, chat bots etc. etc.. ? i.e. you write to them asking question, and they try to reply the best as they can answer your question.. Intelligent enough A.I. would/should ask similar question "do I exist?".. In 3D games you are all the time walking around the world and hearing that in-game AI are talking to each other about various things (usually having connection to 'mission' of the player).. But ATM they have very basic responses. Discussion with them easily reveals their shortcomings. But that is the way they were (lousy) programmed by the creators.
Mans Posted April 7, 2019 Posted April 7, 2019 The imaginary characters in a game are like the characters in a dream. They don't exist in the real world as a touchable existence, but they sometimes are representations of the real characters.
cladking Posted April 7, 2019 Posted April 7, 2019 I believe the philosophical question is how you can ask such a question. I believe the answer to the question is that you can't prove it any more than you can prove there is, was, always has been, or will be a conscious Creator of all things. I believe there are only two options for answering the question; first you can establish definitions and protocols to define a logical means to study your environment which factors out beliefs and perspectives. Or second you can take your existence and the existence of all things that are apparent as being axiomatic pending establishment through theory derived from observation and logic. I believe the first option is what we call "science" and the second is the way animals thrive, live, and progress.
dimreepr Posted April 7, 2019 Posted April 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, cladking said: I believe the philosophical question is how you can ask such a question. I believe the answer to the question is that you can't prove it any more than you can prove there is, was, always has been, or will be a conscious Creator of all things. I believe there are only two options for answering the question; first you can establish definitions and protocols to define a logical means to study your environment which factors out beliefs and perspectives. Or second you can take your existence and the existence of all things that are apparent as being axiomatic pending establishment through theory derived from observation and logic. I believe the first option is what we call "science" and the second is the way animals thrive, live, and progress. 2 theirs always a third...
cladking Posted April 7, 2019 Posted April 7, 2019 5 hours ago, dimreepr said: theirs always a third... Probably. But I don't have a clue to what other method might word to provide an answer consistent with reality (or laws of nature if you prefer).
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