studiot Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Strange said: Can you provide the source for this, please It was a while ago now, but I will try to find the original webpage for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, studiot said: It was a while ago now, but I will try to find the original webpage for you. Thanks (I have seen it before, but don't know where!) I think this is it: http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~teviet/Waves/empulse.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Strange said: Thanks (I have seen it before, but don't know where!) This one? http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~teviet/Waves/empulse.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ghideon said: This one? http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~teviet/Waves/empulse.html Thanks. +1 So it was perhaps Caltech not NASA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Gravitational waves are a proof for my discovery The place in which the space-time is curved changes to another place when the mass accelerates a new space-time curvature happens at this new place then this new curvature or gravity spread in form of waves with the speed of light c. Gravitational waves propagate with the speed of light c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, awaterpon said: Gravitational waves are a proof for my discovery You don’t have a discovery. You are describing standard physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) My idea is space-time curvature spreads out with c . mass motion " accelerated one" causes changes in space-time curvature places making new curvatures in space-time these new curvatures spread out with c in form of waves that proves space curvature spreads out with c. 8 minutes ago, Strange said: You don’t have a discovery. You are describing standard physics. Gravitational waves are standard physics but what I proposed is not. Edited April 13, 2019 by awaterpon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, awaterpon said: My idea is space-time curvature spreads out with c . mass motion " accelerated one" causes changes in space-time curvature places making new curvatures in space-time these new curvatures spread out with c in form of waves that proves space curvature spreads out with c. Standard physics. Hence the prediction of gravitational waves by GR. There is nothing new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, awaterpon said: My idea is space-time curvature spreads out with c . mass motion " accelerated one" causes changes in space-time curvature places making new curvatures in space-time these new curvatures spread out with c in form of waves that proves space curvature spreads out with c. Gravitational waves are standard physics but what I proposed is not. Anything you have proposed that is new lacks the kind of detail needed to confirm it. Gravitational and EM field fluctuations moving at c is already part of mainstream physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, swansont said: Anything you have proposed that is new lacks the kind of detail needed to confirm it. Does that mean what I proposed won't be accepted in any way? Edited April 13, 2019 by awaterpon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, awaterpon said: Does that mean what I proposed won't be accepted in any way? Not without specific predictions and ways to test it. You need the math to make the predictions and experimental confirmation to back up any claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, awaterpon said: Does that mean what I proposed won't be accepted in any way? What have you proposed that is new? What is the mathematical description of the new idea? What evidence is there for the new idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, swansont said: Not without specific predictions and ways to test it. You need the math to make the predictions and experimental confirmation to back up any claims. Honestly I'm merely an engineering student so I will just leave it Have come to your mind any math or details about it? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, awaterpon said: Have come to your mind any math or details about it? You can look at my last question as a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, awaterpon said: Have come to your mind any math or details about it? What is "it"? What is new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximT Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, awaterpon said: Gravitational waves propagate with the speed of light c. How do we measure speed of gravity, how to create waves of gravity, to get their speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, MaximT said: How do we measure speed of gravity, how to create waves of gravity, to get their speed? ! Moderator Note If you want to ask questions about standard physics like this, please start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) I don't know the mathematics about space-time curvature , what mathematics might be if we add that space time curvature spread out with c ? any ideas? Edited April 14, 2019 by awaterpon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, awaterpon said: I don't know the mathematics about space-time curvature , what mathematics might be if we add that space time curvature spread out with c ? any ideas? Sounds like General relativity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, awaterpon said: I don't know the mathematics about space-time curvature , what mathematics might be if we add that space time curvature spread out with c ? any ideas? That would be general relativity, the Einstein Field Equations: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/ These describe how spacetime curves and how that curvature spreads out at the speed of light. You are not "adding" anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 Guys you mistunderstand me.Gravitional waves and gravity propagation are standard physics but I added that it has a LIMITED RANGE this range is extendable with speed c. Speed c is the common factor for all these concepts that doesn't mean I' m repeating science @swansont understood me well I need now some math for it so that it is complete and great theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, awaterpon said: Guys you mistunderstand me.Gravitional waves and gravity propagation are standard physics but I added that it has a LIMITED RANGE this range is extendable with speed c. That would be true if mass could appear from nowhere. Then its gravitational field would spread out with c and beyond that there would be no gravity. However, mass cannot appear from nowhere so the gravitational field extends throughout the whole universe (which could be to infinity). This is all described by GR. You have added nothing new (except inventing the idea that mass can appear from nowhere, which is nonsense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Strange said: That would be true if mass could appear from nowhere. No one knows what was before the big bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Just now, awaterpon said: No one knows what was before the big bang. How is that relevant? We do know that the universe has always been completely and homogeneously full of matter and energy. And that it was small enough for it to be in thermal equilibrium; therefore it was also small enough for the gravitational effect of the matter to spread through the entire universe. Again, you are adding nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaterpon Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Strange said: We do know that the universe has always been completely and homogeneously full of matter and energy. You say it's necessary for me to be right that matter came from no where , so what? we know energy is conservative in this universe but we don't know what was before the big bang"the beginning of this unviverse" My idea is not based on the non-existence of matter at some moment but in the unlogical Newtonian view of infinite gravity. So I don't need to present evidence that mass came from nowhere .If the idea that mass came from nowhere is part of my concept then OK noone can prove it didn't came from nowhere and no one has evidence that it is there always. So do matter exist in the past back to infinite time ? this will be another "infinity" wrong idea. It is simple nothing goes with infinity speed nothing weighs infinity nothing spend infinity time nothing spread to infinity distance nothing reaches infinity no other universes will fill the infinity. There is nothing in the universe is infinite and will never be . space and time are not the universe . the are the place in which any possible universe might exist and function so they are infinite " although some scientists say space and time are finite but some say they are infinite and I agree with those who say they are infinite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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