Fermer05 Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 The reason for the formation of hydrogen sulfide in the Black Sea. Institute of Oceanology, Russian Academy of Sciences https://vk.com/ioran The wind waves enrich the water with oxygen only to a depth of several tens of meters of the seas and oceans surface, while the whirlpools deliver the water enriched with oxygen to a depth of more than 10 km. (Mariana Trench) How does this happen: The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming giant whirlpools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, has the property of a gyroscope (whirligig) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth. If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating with the Earth, overturn, due to which the whirlpools precess, resulting in a vertical movement of ocean water. http://goo.gl/AM5g1s The presented theory can easily be verified by relation between the oxygen content and the whirlpools rotation speed. Based on the map of the depths and currents of the seas and oceans. The higher the current velocity, the greater the oxygen content and the lower the hydrogen sulfide content. https://youtu.be/ihM1I5r_MUg https://youtu.be/X6PavdKXIE8 List of seas with low oxygen content: Black Sea. East of the Mediterranean. Gulf of Mexico. Norway fjords. As we see, whirlpools are involved not only in the horizontal circulation of the sea and ocean waters, but also in the vertical. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_zone_(ecology) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ocean-dead-zones/ The coefficient of oxygen content can be expressed mathematically by the following formula O = V / G V - whirlpool rotation speed, km / h. G - depth of the reservoir, km. Black Sea 0.2 / 1200 = 0.00016 Sea of Okhotsk 1/800 = 0.0012 Vertical movement of ocean waters can be convincingly modeled using simple experience. For this, a half-filled vessel with a rotating liquid (bucket, tumbler, mixer) must be rotated around itself (in orbit). If the liquid in the bucket rotates to the right, the bucket around itself (in orbit) must be rotated to the left. http://bourabai.ru/articles/black_sea.htm Vertical and horizontal circulation is a vital fundamental law of nature, without which life in the ocean would be impossible. During the vertical and horizontal circulation, there are also side non-vital effects of nature: ebb and flow, seasonal sea-level rise, killer waves. Real-time sea current speed: http://portal.esimo.ru/portal https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/sat_ocean.html —————————————————————————————— Seasonal increase in the level of waters of the seas and oceans. Institute of Water Problems, RAS https://vk.com/club134348321 The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres. The main cause of rotation of the whirlpools are local winds, flowing into the seas and oceans of the river and the deflecting force of Coriolis. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre And the higher the speed of the winds, the higher the speed of rotation of the whirlpools, and as a result, the higher the centrifugal force of the whirlpools, thereby increasing the water level of the seas and oceans. And the lower the speed of rotation of the whirlpools, the lower the level of water, seas and oceans. https://youtu.be/ihM1I5r_MUg The speed of currents along the perimeter of the seas and oceans is not the same everywhere and depends on the depth of the coast. In the shallow part of the seas and oceans, the flow moves fast, and in the deep water part of the seas and oceans the flow moves slowly .. Seasonal rise in the water level is observed not along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where the high angular velocity of the currents and, as a result, the high centrifugal force of the water. (Centrifugal force F = mv2 / r). On straight coasts, where currents do not have an angular velocity, the water level does not rise. Real-time sea current speed http://portal.esimo.ru/portal https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov https://ru.nencom.com/spravochnik/energoresursy/globalnaya-onlayn-karta-vetrov The waters of the Gulf of Finland rotate counterclockwise, forming a whirlpool in the form of an ellipse. And when the seasonal south-westerly winds unwind the whirlpool to 5 km / h, the centrifugal force of the whirlpool rises, so that on the east coast of the Gulf of Finland the water level rises to 30 cm. A similar pattern of seasonal increase in water levels is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans .. The average depth of the Gulf of Finland is about 50 meters, on the east coast is about 5 meters, in the west of the bay it is about 100 meters, for this reason the linear and angular velocity of currents on the east coast of the Gulf of Finland is much higher (as much as the depth of the coast increases current velocity) .. In the Gulf of Finland, the seasonal increase in water levels has two peaks: in August-September and in December-January and in time they coincide with the season of south-westerly winds. The speed of the current in the Gulf of Finland reaches from 2 to 17 km / hour, and the maximum speed of the current on Earth reaches 30 km / hour, the wind speed is more than 100 km / hour. http://goo.gl/eYVTo6 http://esimo.oceanography.ru/esp1/index.php?sea_code=1§ion=6&menu_code=1734 The waters of the North Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge whirlpool. And when seasonal northwestern storm winds unleash a whirlpool (up to 20 km / h on the southern coast), the centrifugal force of the whirlpool rises, making the level on the southern coast of the North Sea up to 5 meters. (Storm surge 2.5 meters, centrifugal surge 2.5 meters). https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:North_Sea_Currents.svg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953 The waters of the Caspian Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a whirlpool in the form of an ellipse. And when the seasonal winds and the flood river Volga unleash a whirlpool, the centrifugal force of the whirlpool rises, making the water level up to 1 meter on the north coast of the Caspian Sea. The average depth of the Caspian Sea is about 200 meters, on the north coast about 5 meters, on the south coast - about 500m. Due to this, in the north of the Caspian Sea the speed of the current increases from 1 to 10 km / h. In the Caspian Sea, the peak of the seasonal rise in water level is observed in June-August and coincides in time with the season of winds and high water of the Volga River. During a drought over the Volga River basin, the level of the Caspian Sea does not rise. http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/06.png http://goo.gl/47tXq2 In the Bay of Bengal, in the season of monsoon winds, the whirlpool speed rises to 10 km / h, making the seasonal rise in water levels up to 1.2 meters. http://www.aziya-tur.ru/bengal%27skii-zaliv.php Seasonal increase in the level of the Black Sea (up to 40 cm) is most pronounced in the southeastern part of the sea, where in summer the angular velocity of the currents reaches its maximum value. http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/07.html The assumption that the cause of the seasonal rise in the water level may be the pressure of the atmosphere, the flow of the rivers, the temperature difference and the salinity of the waters do not hold water, these factors may raise the water level by a few cm, but no more. The presented theory can be easily verified by relating the velocity of the currents to the level of the seas and oceans. (Based on a map of depths and currents, seas and oceans). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cycle_of_sea_level_height https://research.csiro.au/slrwavescoast/sea-level/sea-level-change/ http://www.okeanavt.ru/tainiokeana/1066mifosrednemurovne.html —————————————————————————————— High and low tides are the result of the earth rotation and of the whirlpools. Department of Oceanology, MSU https://vk.com/ocean_msu There is a strict pattern - tides are formed not along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts with a high current velocity, and the higher the velocity of the currents, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave. No tides are formed on these coasts where currents do not have a high velocity. The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming giant whirlpools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre As is well known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, has the property of a gyroscope (whirligig) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth. If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating with the Earth, overturn, twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the whirlpool. http://goo.gl/AM5g1s https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge whirlpool-gyroscope, which, while precessing, reflects a tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas, and oceans. Sailing Directions of the White Sea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_Directions http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10-15 cm high. But in the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, a whirlpool rotates in the Gulf of Gabes, precessing and reflecting an additional tidal wave. https://youtu.be/ihM1I5r_MUg The tidal wave in the Amazon River is created a huge planetary whirlpool with a diameter of several thousand kilometers, rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River. The pattern of tidal wave movement over the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary whirlpool. https://youtu.be/ZEhm_ONTQKc The tidal wave length depends on the whirlpool diameter. And the tidal wave height depends on the whirlpool rotation speed, the Earth orbital velocity, and the whirlpool tilting time (12 hours). А = V1•V2/t where: A - tidal wave amplitude (precession angle). V1 - whirlpool rotation speed. V2 - the Earth orbital velocity. t - whirlpool tilting time (12 hours). Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts. 1 km / h - 1 meter 5 km / h - 5 meter 10 km / h - 10 meter 15 km / h - 15 meter The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpool, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool and the direction of flow (north, south, west, east). Currents that move along the equator reflect a tidal wave to the north and south, twice a day. And the currents that move along the meridian reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the west and east, twice a day. This can be checked with simple experience, if you rotate the globe around the axis and orbit, entwined along the equator and meridian a polyethylene hose on which liquid moves. The whirlpool theory of tides can easily be verified by relating the height of the tidal wave to the speed of rotation of the whirlpools. From the height of the tides, you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, based on the atlas of sea currents in real time. The animation shows how the waters flowing from the Bay of Fundy into the Bay of Man rotate the whirlpool, so that, whirling, precessing reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Bay of Fundy. During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters. https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.38,43.37,3000/loc=-68.002,43.607 https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9 Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m. https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=41.22,69.34,3000/loc=44.515,68.005 —————————————————————————————— Killer Waves The official group of the Institute of Earth Sciences SFU https://vk.com/ogbarannikova A tidal wave moving across the ocean is called a soliton. When a soliton collides with the coastline of the continent, ebbs and flows are formed. When solitons collide, two adjacent whirlpools, a killer wave is formed. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Killer Waves This can be checked by throwing two stones at the same time in a bath of water. When a soliton collides, the resulting killer wave foams and a larger wave pulls a smaller wave somewhat. You can create a half-meter-killer wave with a duration of 0.5 seconds, if two divers simultaneously jumped with a “bomb” into the reservoir from a height of 2 meters, with a distance between them of 3 meters. If you throw two pieces of sugar into a glass of tea at the same time and a killer wave forms there. The mechanism of formation of a tidal wave in rivers and killer waves in the oceans is similar, and the height of the tidal wave in a river depends on the speed of the flow of water in a river. https://goo.gl/images/Tm13py https://goo.gl/images/amdjwj The location of the possible stoning of the killer waves can be predicted from the whirlpool charts and, accordingly, to lay routes. An approaching killer wave or tsunami can be partially neutralized by creating a series of oncoming waves, torpedoes or projectiles. If two waves do not collide with each other, then they freely walk on the ocean, and they are called solitons or Rossby waves. "Three sisters are a collision of a soliton with three storm waves .. Solitons, reflected around themselves in whirlpools, colliding with storm waves, create a killer wave and are the main cause of ships wreck. And knowing the distribution schedule of solitons by whirlpools, one should accordingly choose the time and route of movement in the seas and oceans. The perimeter of the seas and oceans, I believe, is the most dangerous place for anchorage and movement of ships, especially where there is a high whirlpool speed. The center of the whirlpool, I believe, is the safest place to wait out bad weather, and it is advisable to install a buoy in the center of the whirlpool. https://goo.gl/images/icF4zf The map shows the areas of the most frequent occurrence of killer waves. In the North Atlantic, killer waves form mainly along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary whirlpool, as a result of a collision of a tidal wave with storm waves (three sisters) .. http://www.freegrab.net/Tide%20waves.gif The animation shows how in the area of the Bermuda Triangle, as a result of the collision of tidal waves reflected by the North Atlantic and South Atlantic planetary whirlpools, a killer wave is formed .. The clock set on the animation shows that killer waves in the Bermuda Triangle are formed twice a day at 12 and 24 hours. Based on the demonstrated animation, you can make a calendar of formation of killer waves not only for future years but also for previous ones. In the season of long, eastern winds in the north of the Sea of Okhotsk and floods of the rivers flowing into the Penzhinsky Bay, the current speed in the north of the Sea of Okhotsk increases several times, due to which, in the north of the Sea of Okhotsk, the water level, the amplitude of tides and killer waves increases. The current, which moves along the northern coast of the Sea of Okhotsk, reflects a tidal wave both towards the coast and towards the open sea. (South). https://goo.gl/images/u3AsBQ All physical processes that occur in the ocean, occur in the atmosphere and in the mantle of the earth. "The laws of nature are universal." Lao Tzu. The discovery was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html Scientific journal "NBICS-Science. Technologies" No. 4/2018. Page 104. (Nanotechnology Society of Russia) http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii Continued: The mechanism of the vertical circulation of the waters of the oceans. Forum Federal Target Program "World Ocean" http://okeany.com/forum/784.htm "Forum on the Flagship" http://vmf.net.ru/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2328 French Maritime Forum (Discussion). http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9357-le-flux-et-reflux-est-le-resultat-de-la-rotation-de-la-terre English forum. "Weather/Earth sciences" https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35094.0 ---------------------------------------------------- Criticism of the lunar theory of tides. Why is the tidal wave height three times lower in the equatorial zone than in temperate zones? According to the lunar theory of tides, the crust at a latitude of London rises and falls twice a day with an amplitude of about 20 cm, and the amplitude at the equator exceeds 50 cm (2.5 times more). Then why in the equatorial zone the amplitude of the tides ranges from 0 - 6 meters and in temperate zones from 0 - 18 meters? The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Bay of Fundy in North America - 18 m, in the mouth of the River Severn in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the lips of the Sea of Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at Cape Nerpinsky in the Mezen Bay - 11 m. If it is logical to argue, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35 - 40 meters. Also, if the Bay of Fundy were located at the equator, the height of the tide would be about 45 meters. The whirlpool theory of tides explains this discrepancy by the absence of whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones at the equator. For the formation of whirlpools, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is necessary. At the equator, the effect of the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, maximum. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519 Information on tides in some ports of the world https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html The whirlpool tide theory can be easily verified by relating the height of the tidal wave to the speed of the whirlpools. List of seas with an average rotational speed of whirlpools of more than 0.5 km / h and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm: Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea , Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Alaska Bay, etc. List of seas with an average whirlpool rotation speed of less than 0.5 km / h and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm: the Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea , Caribbean Sea, Sea of Japan, Gulf of Mexico, etc. Note: the height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the ebb and flow are not the same. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seas ------------------ According to the Static Theory of Tides, the "Moon Tidal Wave" moves from east to west at a speed of 1600 km / hour, skirting the Earth in 24 hours, rubbing the ocean floor and filling only the eastern shores of the continents. But after centuries it was discovered: 1. That the "Moon tidal wave" floods both the western and southern and northern shores of the continents. 2. That the speed of the tidal wave of 1600 km / h is destructive for both continents and marine fauna .. 3. That at the same time around the globe, there are not two tidal humps, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the Moon. 4. That abnormally high tides for some reason are formed in semi-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to tidal waves, tides or not at all, or they are small. https://youtu.be/NqDEaFjIXPw Later, a dynamic model of tides was proposed, allowing for a lag (up to 800 km / h) and tidal-hump turns due to friction on the ocean floor. And to show the magnitude of the backlog of the hump, they introduced an application clock (from 0 to 12). http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm Но динамическая модель приливов не отвечает на все поставленные вопросы: 1. В то время как приливная волна совершает один оборот вокруг Земли, Луна делает два оборота, как осуществляется гравитационная связь между Луной и приливным горбом? 2. Если применяемый час равен нулю, это означает, что трение приливной волны о дно океана отсутствует, а скорость волны составляет 1600 км / ч, а если примененный час равен 12, это означает, что трение уменьшило Скорость приливной волны до 800 км / ч. Почему в одной области есть трение приливной волны на дне океана, а в другой - нет.3. Для того, чтобы существовал «Лунный приливный горб», необходима неоднородность гравитационного поля, и для этого Луна должна постоянно находиться над горбом, в противном случае горб будет разрушаться. 4. Почему в некоторых местах только один прилив в день, куда идет второй горб? 5. Если Луна создаст приливный горб на Земле, это будет не эллипс, а капля. (Гравитационная сила добавляется, а не компенсируется). 6. Приливные волны синхронизированы с ежедневным вращением Земли и отстают на 50 минут ежедневно. Луна не синхронизирована с приливными волнами. (Луна одна, а приливных волн на Земле сотни).7. Поскольку потоку западных ветров удается двигаться с запада на восток со скоростью 5 км / ч, растирая дно океана, а приливная волна течет с востока на запад со скоростью 800 км / ч, растирая дно океана. 8. Считается, что причиной второго лунного горба является барицентр. И в чем причина второго солнечного горба? 9. Кто является автором теории приливного резонанса и почему такой теории в Интернете нет? 10. Поскольку приливные силы Земли остановили вращение Луны, если сторона Луны, обращенная к Земле, является вогнутой, а обратная сторона Луны является выпуклой. Лазерные высотомеры космического корабля Аполлон-15, -17 показали, что видимая сторона луны лежит ниже среднего уровня, а невидимая сторона лежит над ним ..11. В космонавтике это доказанный факт, что область притяжения Луны ограничена 10 тысячами километров от поверхности Луны искусственными спутниками Луны с радиусом орбиты более 10 тысяч километров. вырваться из орбиты. 12. Почему приливные волны движутся строго по периметру озер, морей и океанов, а не с востока на запад, следуя за луной? 13. Амфидромная точка - центр водоворота https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphidromicheskaya_tochka это точка в океане, где амплитуда приливной волны равна нулю, приливная волна «бегает» эта точка вокруг по часовой стрелке или против часовой стрелки. 14. Почему в экваториальной зоне амплитуда приливов в три раза ниже, чем в умеренных зонах?15. Почему на северном и южном побережьях морей и океанов приливы в три раза выше, чем на восточных и западных побережьях, но должно быть наоборот. 16. Как объяснить тот факт, что в юго-западной Австралии в порту Фримантл приливы года значительны, а затем исчезают. Раз в год, в дельте Северной Двины, во время весенних паводков, приливы и отливы таинственным образом исчезают на несколько дней, иногда на неделю, и это считается одной из загадок природы. 17. Почему в Белом море приливы в 100 раз выше, чем в Балтийском море. Высота приливов в Белом море составляет 10 метров, а в Прибалтике 10 сантиметров. 18. На какую теорию опирался китайский календарь приливов 1100 года. Редакция готова отозвать статью, если будет написан объективный критический отзыв. Научный журнал "NBICS-Наука. Технологии" http://www.rusnor.org/pubs/articles/15638.htm Правило отзыва (отвода) статьи из публикации https://rasep.ru/sovet-po-etike / pravilo-otzyva-retragirovaniya-Stati-альфа-publikatsii
Fermer05 Posted April 26, 2019 Author Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) 8 часов назад Fermer05 сказал: But the dynamic model of tides does not answer all the questions posed: 1. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two turns, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump carried out? 2. If the applied hour is zero, it means that the friction of the tidal wave against the ocean floor is absent, and the wave speed is 1600 km / h, and if the applied hour is 12, it means that the friction reduced the speed of the tidal wave to 800 km / h . Why, in one area there is friction of the tidal wave on the ocean floor, and in another area there is no. 3. In order for the “Lunar tidal hump” to exist, heterogeneity of the gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the Moon must be constantly above the hump, otherwise the hump will collapse. 4. Why, in some places, there is only one tide per day, where does the second hump go? 5. If the moon created a tidal hump on the Earth, it would not be an ellipse, but a drop. (Gravitational force is added, not compensated). 6. Tidal waves are synchronized with the daily rotation of the earth and are 50 minutes daily behind. The moon is not synchronized with tidal waves. (The moon is one, and the tidal waves on Earth, hundreds). 7. As the stream of the western winds manages to move from west to east, at a speed of 5 km / h, rubbing the ocean floor, while the tidal wave flows from east to west at a speed of 800km / hour, rubbing the ocean floor. 8. It is believed that the cause of the second moon hump is the barycenter. And what is the cause of the second solar hump? 9. Who is the author of the theory of tidal resonance and why is there no such theory on the Internet? 10. As the tidal forces of the earth stopped the rotation of the moon, if the side of the moon facing the earth is concave, and the reverse side of the moon is convex. Laser altimeters of the Apollo-15, -17 spacecraft showed that the visible side of the moon lies below the average level, and the invisible side lies above it .. 11. In cosmonautics, this is a proven fact that the region of attraction of the moon is limited to 10 thousand kilometers from the surface of the moon, artificial satellites of the moon with a radius of the orbit of more than 10 thousand km. break out of orbit. 12. Why do tidal waves move strictly along the perimeter of lakes, seas and oceans, and not from east to west, following the moon? 13. Amphidromic point - the center of the whirlpoolhttps://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphidromicheskaya_tochka this is a point in the ocean, where the amplitude of the tidal wave is zero, the tidal wave "runs around" this point around clockwise or counterclockwise .. 14. Why in the equatorial zone, the amplitude of the tides is three times lower than in temperate zones? 15. Why on the northern and southern coasts of the seas and oceans tides are three times higher than on the eastern and western coasts, but it should be the other way around. 16. How to explain the fact that in southwestern Australia in the port of Fremantle, the tides of the year are significant, and then disappear. Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during the spring floods, the ebb and flow of the mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. 17. Why in the White Sea tides are 100 times higher than in the Baltic Sea. The height of the tides in the White Sea is 10 meters, and in the Baltic 10 cm. 18. On which theory relied Chinese calendar tides 1100. The editorial staff is ready to withdraw the article if an objective critical review is written. Scientific journal "NBICS-Science. Technologies" http://www.rusnor.org/pubs/articles/15638.htm Rule of revocation (retraction) of the article from publicationhttps://rasep.ru/sovet-po-etike/pravilo-otzyva-retragirovaniya-stati-ot-publikatsii Edited April 26, 2019 by Fermer05
Intrigued Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 I have not read your entire post, but I have two points occurred to me from what I scanned. Firstly, you note that tides are higher far from the equator than close to it. However, the examples you give of large tidal ranges are unrelated to their latitude. The high tides are a consequence of local submarine topography. If that is all the evidence you have then your assertion is without foundation. Secondly, the word "whirpool" in English commonly refers to a small feature, whose diameter will be measured in yards or at most a few hundred yards. The large circulation patterns you are talking about would be better termed "gyres", a word you did use on one or two occassions. If you are intending to convey the vertical component of a whirlpool in your argument then you might be better to talk of mega-whirlpools. However, you will then have to explain why these mega-whirlpools or gyres have a stagnant zone at their heart, unlike their smaller cousins. 1
studiot Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 57 minutes ago, Intrigued said: but I have two points occurred to me from what I scanned. Kepp the pertinent comments coming. +1
Intrigued Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 57 minutes ago, studiot said: Kepp the pertinent comments coming. +1 Well, one couldn't get a doctorate for refuting his posts, but there is certainly enough material there to get a headache!
Fermer05 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 Today in the Bay of Fundy the amplitude of the tides can be 6 meters, and tomorrow 18 meters. What is the reason for such a sharp jump?
beecee Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Fermer05 said: Today in the Bay of Fundy the amplitude of the tides can be 6 meters, and tomorrow 18 meters. What is the reason for such a sharp jump? http://bayoffundytourism.com/worlds-highest-tides/how-do-the-tides-work/ https://www.google.com/search?q=seiche&oq=seiche&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1614j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 A seiche (/ˈseɪʃ/ SAYSH) is a standing wave in an enclosed or partially enclosed body of water. Seiches and seiche-related phenomena have been observed on lakes, reservoirs, swimming pools, bays, harbours and seas. 1
Fermer05 Posted May 1, 2019 Author Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) On 4/30/2019 at 8:21 AM, Fermer05 said: Today in the Bay of Fundy the amplitude of the tides can be 6 meters, and tomorrow 18 meters. What is the reason for such a sharp jump? We have two possible answers. 1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times. 2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times. Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869 under the influence of the cyclone "Saxby Gale". On the night of October 4-5, in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), due to which waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Maine and increased three times the speed of rotation of the cycle in the Gulf of Maine. -------------------------------------------------- ---- The real-time animation shows how the waters flowing from the Bay of Fundy to the Bay of Man form a gyre, which precession reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Bay of Fundy. During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9 Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946 Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com Edited May 1, 2019 by Fermer05 -2
Fermer05 Posted May 1, 2019 Author Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 11:57 AM, Intrigued said: Secondly, the word "whirpool" in English commonly refers to a small feature, whose diameter will be measured in yards or at most a few hundred yards. The large circulation patterns you are talking about would be better termed "gyres", a word you did use on one or two occassions. If you are intending to convey the vertical component of a whirlpool in your argument then you might be better to talk of mega-whirlpools. Thanks for the advice! All corrected.
studiot Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) You need to be clear what you are talking about here. You need to distinguish between the natural 'astronomical tide' which is simple the effect of the Moon's and, to a smaller extent the Sun's, gravity, acting vertically. Superimposed on this is the horizontal movement of water, also due to the orthognal component of this gravity. This horizontal movement is conditioned by seabed topography. In estuaries the channel narrows and the bed shoals so the incoming water has no place to go other than up. This results in an increase in tidal heights over open water values for similar locations. Further complications occur due to the periodicity of the forcing function, especially if resonance occurs as in the case of Fundy where the resonance leads to an increase of about 15 metres height. I posted some data for the North Sea, in your last thread, showing similar resonances leading to some coastal areas experiencing increased heights of a few metres. Yet more complications arise if the topography and timing is such that non linear oscillations can occur. This leads for instance to the Severn Bore, adding a further 2.5 metres to the 15 metres rise in the Severn estuary. Gyres are an entirely different phenomena which require deep water to operate. They are the mechanism which connects the deep water ocean circulation currents with those nearer the surface. Edited May 1, 2019 by studiot
Fermer05 Posted May 4, 2019 Author Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) On 5/1/2019 at 5:24 PM, Fermer05 said: How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters. What changes have occurred in a day, for such a sharp jump? -------------------- We have two possible answers. 1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times. 2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times. Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869. On the night of October 4-5, in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), due to which waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Maine and increased three times the speed of rotation of the cycle in the Gulf of Maine. During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters. During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters. The real-time animation shows how the waters flowing into the Gulf of Maine from the Gulf of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Gulf of Fundy.https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9 Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946 Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com A similar pattern of abnormally high tides is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow. Edited May 4, 2019 by Fermer05
Bufofrog Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 4/30/2019 at 1:21 AM, Fermer05 said: Today in the Bay of Fundy the amplitude of the tides can be 6 meters, and tomorrow 18 meters. What is the reason for such a sharp jump? There are 2 major tides per day, which is caused by the moon, the sun and the rotation of the earth. There can be a large 'tide' from a storm surge. A tsunami can cause a 'low' tide followed by a flooding tide. A major river flood into a bay can cause the level in the bay to rise. That is about it. The currents (or whirlpools if you like) in a bay, ocean or lake will have almost no effect on the water level.
studiot Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/4/2019 at 5:52 PM, Fermer05 said: A similar pattern of abnormally high tides is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow. That is not abnormal. What would be abnormal would be for the water level change in a restricted region to be less than corresponding values from the open ocean. 2 hours ago, Bufofrog said: That is about it. Ther's a lot more to it than that, principly the interaction of the forcing function and the topography whther resonance or anti-resonance or even more exoitic effects such as the 'double tide' in the Solent.
Bufofrog Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 4 hours ago, studiot said: Ther's a lot more to it than that, principly the interaction of the forcing function and the topography whther resonance or anti-resonance or even more exoitic effects such as the 'double tide' in the Solent. Fair enough. I was trying to point out the major drivers of the water level change and it sure isn't whirlpools.
studiot Posted May 7, 2019 Posted May 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Bufofrog said: Fair enough. I was trying to point out the major drivers of the water level change and it sure isn't whirlpools. Hi there. Yes the contribution from whirlpools is generally very small. But I am trying to make clear that the final water level and its changes has many contributing factors which may be large or small. One of these is often called the astronomical tide to distinguish from other factors. This is the one you describe here. 17 hours ago, Bufofrog said: There are 2 major tides per day, which is caused by the moon, the sun and the rotation of the earth. With your pedigree you surely know what happens if you suddenly raise your backside in the bathtub. The water level oscillates up and down the bath, causing very substantial level changes at the ends in a sort of see-saw effect. A necessary result of this is a neutral point, called an amphidromic point, around the middle of the bathtub. https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=wlPRXK2-KoLCkwWz8K-4DA&q=amphidromic+point&oq=amphidromic&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0l10.1108.4136..9738...0.0..0.108.766.10j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131j0i10.u1B3jwNZ5pg This is the simplest addition to the underlying tidal height. There are others that can also be large.
Bufofrog Posted May 7, 2019 Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, studiot said: But I am trying to make clear that the final water level and its changes has many contributing factors which may be large or small. I do not disagree with anything you have written. My issue is that it seems that Fermer05 does not think that the moon and sun have anything to do with the Astronomical Tide, he thinks that these twice daily tides are due to whirlpools (or gyres) only.
studiot Posted May 7, 2019 Posted May 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, Bufofrog said: I do not disagree with anything you have written. My issue is that it seems that Fermer05 does not think that the moon and sun have anything to do with the Astronomical Tide, he thinks that these twice daily tides are due to whirlpools (or gyres) only. Yes indeed, the OP is not fond of responding to the words of others, he seems to prefer repeating his own. This may be in part because everything he does needs translation and his English is certainly miles better than my Russian. So I try to make allowances for this and guess what he actually means as sometimes his text contains inappropriate English words. Quote Fermer The mechanism of the vertical circulation of the waters of the oceans But the fact remains that he has not acknowledged the principal mechanism for vertical exchange of water which is of course thermally drive by solar radiation energy. Warm water from the equatorial regions move polewards, cools and sinks. This would still happen if there were no astronomical tides at all.
beecee Posted May 7, 2019 Posted May 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Bufofrog said: I do not disagree with anything you have written. My issue is that it seems that Fermer05 does not think that the moon and sun have anything to do with the Astronomical Tide, he thinks that these twice daily tides are due to whirlpools (or gyres) only. 10 hours ago, studiot said: Yes indeed, the OP is not fond of responding to the words of others, he seems to prefer repeating his own. I have also seen his lengthy hypothesis spread over a couple of forums, with pages and pages of text, and never once replying to evidence and observations invalidating his rather fanatical stance on this matter.
Strange Posted May 8, 2019 Posted May 8, 2019 ! Moderator Note You are clearly not interested in engaging with any of the corrections provided. This thread is closed. Do not open another thread on this subject. 1
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