Cullen J Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 In the bible Genesis chapter 3:16 we learn that man was to rule over woman,this really haunts me to this day since elections,could this be the reason Hillary lose??.i try asking people this but i end up sounding weird,i knew right before elections Trump would win because it couldn't make sense a woman winning and rule the world,because that would mean something totally opposite from the Bible...am i going crazy? Does anyone understand what am trying to point out? I got the feeling some people wondering whats up with me but is there anyone out there seeing some light in my point? Help me understand where am wrong Let me know your thoughts,thank you. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumT Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 You may have chosen the wrong forum. This is a science forum, not a bible study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, QuantumT said: You may have chosen the wrong forum. This is a science forum, not a bible study. isn't this supposed to be 'atleast' in religion category ??????????? smh...u making my head hurt more but its ok,my apology if i wasn't supposed to Post here. Edited July 4, 2019 by Cullen J -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koti Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Cullen J said: In the bible Genesis chapter 3:16 we learn that man was to rule over woman,this really haunts me to this day since elections,could this be the reason Hillary lose??.i try asking people this but i end up sounding weird,i knew right before elections Trump would win because it couldn't make sense a woman winning and rule the world,because that would mean something totally opposite from the Bible...am i going crazy? Does anyone understand what am trying to point out? I got the feeling some people wondering whats up with me but is there anyone out there seeing some light in my point? Help me understand where am wrong Let me know your thoughts,thank you. Stop believing everything you read in the tabloids. Edited July 4, 2019 by koti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, Cullen J said: In the bible Genesis chapter 3:16 we learn that man was to rule over woman That is because it was written and edited by men, so it reflects the ideas of the time. That is an outdated and ridiculous idea now. 53 minutes ago, Cullen J said: could this be the reason Hillary lose? Of course not. (Despite the fact that a lot of the support for Trump comes from the Christian Right.) 54 minutes ago, Cullen J said: i knew right before elections Trump would win because it couldn't make sense a woman winning and rule the world,because that would mean something totally opposite from the Bible. There have been plenty of women elected to be the hands of their governments. The UK has their second female prime minister (and a female monarch). Many other countries have or have had female leaders. This is just another way in which the US is behind the times. (And the president of the USA does not "rule the world", much as some of them would like to believe they do.) The Bible is pretty much irrelevant to the modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 "Can anyone believe Hillary Clinton was supposed to loose the election according to Bible?" Well, if they believe that the Biblical God would think Trump is "good" or "right" then they can believe anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Ok i get it but not the way i expected,mayb i dint make it very clear..but i appreciate your comments except that guy talkin about tabloids,i have never even thought of reading tabloids...i feel offended! U cud have just not say anything instead.i just aired my thoughts that was a bit of problem to me and just wanted a kind opinion ,and you talkin about tabloids???????????? how rude!! Am sorry guys but if someone see this as nonsense then i beg this topic to be removed,thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 "(And the president of the USA does not "rule the world", much as some of them would like to believe they do.)" Should that not be (And the president of the USA does not "rule the world", much as HE would like to believe HE does.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cullen J said: and you talkin about tabloids???????????? how rude!! I can't see why you think that is rude. In my country, tabloids are the largest selling papers and so most people read them. 10 minutes ago, Cullen J said: i beg this topic to be removed,thank you. ! Moderator Note We do not delete topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, Strange said: That is because it was written and edited by men, so it reflects the ideas of the time. That is an outdated and ridiculous idea now. Of course not. (Despite the fact that a lot of the support for Trump comes from the Christian Right.) There have been plenty of women elected to be the hands of their governments. The UK has their second female prime minister (and a female monarch). Many other countries have or have had female leaders. This is just another way in which the US is behind the times. (And the president of the USA does not "rule the world", much as some of them would like to believe they do.) The Bible is pretty much irrelevant to the modern world. About the tabloid thing,i concluded it rude because i felt as if that guy was saying i believe in those crazy stories and gossip found in tabloids,u understand? Im sorry i dint make it clear what i meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cullen J said: About the tabloid thing,i concluded it rude because i felt as if that guy was saying i believe in those crazy stories and gossip found in tabloids,u understand? Im sorry i dint make it clear what i meant Whereas it is OK to believe these crazy things because you read it in the bible? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The answer is probably yes. There's over 7 billion people in the World after all...there has to be someone out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Forget it..Let me simplify this whole thing, i intended to ask, "If God cursed woman that she will forever look up to man,how is it that there are some women presidents?" Its just that simple.i need to know.and kindly if you say it doesnt apply to modern time,how is it so? Because thats a curse to woman from God Himself and its plainly in the Bible.[If Jesus said He will come back then so He will]...[If God cursed woman forever to be under man then thats the case forever] i dont believe that things can change from what was written in bible...i think i complicated the matter talkin about Trump and Hillary..so this is the real question,how is it that woman can be president and rule man according to your understanding unlike what God said in Genesis? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Cullen J said: Help me understand where am wrong Women gained knowledge, so God punished them by making them subservient to men. Men get to rule, but women got the first bite of th goe apple, so they're probably smarter. I think it was a woman who first figured out apple trees don't grow from the ground. They grow from the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Women have been and currently are leaders all over the world. Not every human on the planet is as dumb as the average American. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, Cullen J said: Let me simplify this whole thing, i intended to ask, "If God cursed woman that she will forever look up to man,how is it that there are some women presidents?" Its just that simple. Let's take a step back and think about logic. Your sentence has the basic structure of a logical proposition: if A then B. This means that if A is true then B must be true. If B is not true then either the logic must be faulty (which in this trivial case, we can be sure it isn't) to the premise (A) must be false. So, in answer to your question, we can decide that the premise ("If God cursed woman that she will forever look up to man") is false. This could be because god never cursed women in this way. Or that this god doesn't exist. Or maybe some other error. Take your pick. To put it another way: where a myth conflicts with reality, we have to conclude that reality is correct and the myth is wrong. 45 minutes ago, Cullen J said: Because thats a curse to woman from God Himself and its plainly in the Bible. That doesn't make it true. 45 minutes ago, Cullen J said: ow is it that woman can be president and rule man according to your understanding unlike what God said in Genesis? Because men and women are just people and are equally capable of running a country. And the bible is just a collection of stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, Cullen J said: Forget it..Let me simplify this whole thing, i intended to ask, "If God cursed woman that she will forever look up to man,how is it that there are some women presidents?" Its just that simple.i need to know.and kindly if you say it doesnt apply to modern time,how is it so? Because thats a curse to woman from God Himself and its plainly in the Bible.[If Jesus said He will come back then so He will]...[If God cursed woman forever to be under man then thats the case forever] i dont believe that things can change from what was written in bible...i think i complicated the matter talkin about Trump and Hillary..so this is the real question,how is it that woman can be president and rule man according to your understanding unlike what God said in Genesis? Thank you. Have you considered that the premise that the Bible is true is the culprit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Strange said: Let's take a step back and think about logic. Your sentence has the basic structure of a logical proposition: if A then B. This means that if A is true then B must be true. If B is not true then either the logic must be faulty (which in this trivial case, we can be sure it isn't) to the premise (A) must be false. So, in answer to your question, we can decide that the premise ("If God cursed woman that she will forever look up to man") is false. This could be because god never cursed women in this way. Or that this god doesn't exist. Or maybe some other error. Take your pick. To put it another way: where a myth conflicts with reality, we have to conclude that reality is correct and the myth is wrong. That doesn't make it true. Because men and women are just people and are equally capable of running a country. And the bible is just a collection of stories. So if A was faulty,then i think we just proved god is not real base on that,i mean i dont know what do you think? All i can say is that you might be right that god dint curse woman that way but the way genesis 3:16 is written never stops getting in my head...but i appreciate your thought,now i know something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arete Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 If this is true, God let Nero, Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Mao, Osama Bin Laden, Ferdinand Marcos, Idi Amin, Franco, Saddam Hussein, etc etc etc happen. Political leaders and regimes who literally murdered millions of people Why would the divine intervene in the 2016 election? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Arete said: If this is true, God let Nero, Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Mao, Osama Bin Laden, Ferdinand Marcos, Idi Amin, Franco, Saddam Hussein, etc etc etc happen. Political leaders and regimes who literally murdered millions of people Why would the divine intervene in the 2016 election? Let's say all that happened as part of punishment to humanity,woman could have been the better version of leadership but she screwed it up... -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, Cullen J said: Let's say all that happened as part of punishment to humanity,woman could have been the better version of leadership but she screwed it up... I find that kind of generalizing repugnant. What mistake did all women make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Cullen J said: Let's say all that happened as part of punishment to humanity,woman could have been the better version of leadership but she screwed it up... Yes, let's pretend humanity is being punished and it's all her fault; does that make you feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 She technically won by 3 Million votes, so I guess god decided to punish all women by punishing us all with the electoral college. Mysterious ways, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cullen J Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Yes, let's pretend humanity is being punished and it's all her fault; does that make you feel better? You just dont get it!! -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cullen J said: You just dont get it!! Maybe you should explain what you are talking about, then. So far, all we've had is biblical literalism (which is a ridiculous concept) and attacks on women. Do you have anything useful to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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