Formula the mass and TGU

[Kuyukov Vitaly]

 

Hi , is it not easier to find a fundamental formula for calculating the mass of elementary particles, for example, the Higgs mass.  I'm sure,
 that such a formula exists, taking into account size analysis and a combination of fundamental fundamental constants (G, h, c) only, we get a formula where energy is inversely proportional to volume or length to the third power.

$$E = \frac {G h^2}{ c^2R^3}$$

 The relativistic formula is invariant, the volume is reduced, the energy grows.

 Now we will substitute in the formula the value of the particle energy E = 100 Gev, we get the average size of length R = 10 {-29} m.  Surprisingly, the energy of a particle of the standard model is strictly related to the distance of the theory of great unification according to this formula.  Moreover, this is an independent result obtained by a pure formula.  This is clearly something fundamental, the formula relates energy to the distance of the theory of great unification, on this scale the particles must have a structure, this is their size.  My guess is topological knots or braids.  The denser the knot,  the higher the energy of the particle.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Kuyukov Vitaly

[Strange]

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[Kuyukov Vitaly]

Well, you can substitute the numbers themselves, the scales converge.

[Bufofrog]

I thought the size of the Highs boson was about 1/100 of the size of a proton, which is way different than your result.

[swansont]

  On 7/8/2019 at 10:12 AM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

 

Hi , is it not easier to find a fundamental formula for calculating the mass of elementary particles, for example, the Higgs mass.  I'm sure,
 that such a formula exists, taking into account size analysis and a combination of fundamental fundamental constants (G, h, c) only, we get a formula where energy is inversely proportional to volume or length to the third power.

 

E=Gh2c2R3

 

 

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Did you derive this somehow, or just make it up?

Why would it depend on G?

What's the answer for the size of an electron?

[Bufofrog]

  On 7/8/2019 at 11:41 AM, swansont said:

What's the answer for the size of an electron?

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I  think he has discovered the energy of an electron I infinite.  I did not know that...

[Kuyukov Vitaly]

1. I published the full work on the Internet, called "preons, loops and the problem of hierarchy."  You can get acquainted.
 2. Any theory should be Lorentz covariant, a more fundamental one must include the fundamental constants, only the gravitational G. remains.
 3. All masses are derived from the order of mass of the Higgs boson.  But where does the Higgs mass come from?  The formula gives the calculation of this mass E = 100 Gev, if the particle size is of the order of R = 10 {-29} m. This corresponds to the combining scale of all three interactions, where the particles must have a common structural description.

[swansont]

  On 7/8/2019 at 12:51 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

1. I published the full work on the Internet, called "preons, loops and the problem of hierarchy."  You can get acquainted.

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"Published on the internet" is basically unpublished, and not bothering to provide a citation? In any event, it does not actually address the question.

  41 minutes ago, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

 2. Any theory should be Lorentz covariant, a more fundamental one must include the fundamental constants, only the gravitational G. remains.

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Are you contending that an equation not including G is not Lorentz covariant? Electrodynamics, for instance?

If it's not required, then the question still stands.

  41 minutes ago, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

3. All masses are derived from the order of mass of the Higgs boson.  But where does the Higgs mass come from?  The formula gives the calculation of this mass E = 100 Gev, if the particle size is of the order of R = 10 {-29} m. This corresponds to the combining scale of all three interactions, where the particles must have a common structural description.

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You already said this. If that was sufficient, I would not have posed my question: What's the answer for the size of an electron?

[Strange]

  On 7/8/2019 at 11:36 AM, Bufofrog said:

I thought the size of the Highs boson was about 1/100 of the size of a proton, which is way different than your result.

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The Higgs boson is a fundamental particle and so is treated as a point particle with zero size.

  On 7/8/2019 at 12:51 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

The formula gives the calculation of this mass E = 100 Gev, if the particle size is of the order of R = 10 {-29} m

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What if the particle isn't that size?

Are you sure you haven't worked out the size in order to get (roughly) the right value for the mass? You couldn't have predicted the mass before it was measured, could you.

[Kuyukov Vitaly]

In essence, this formula should be part of quantum gravity, so G. is included in it.

 According to this formula, the electron radius will be R = 10 {-27} m.

 

Yes, it is possible to predict the mass on the basis of this formula, if the size is known, and this size is equal to the scale the great union computed by Weinberg in 1974.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Kuyukov Vitaly

[Strange]

  On 7/8/2019 at 1:56 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

Yes, it is possible to predict the mass on the basis of this formula, if the size is known

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And how would the size be known ?

  On 7/8/2019 at 1:56 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

According to this formula, the electron radius will be R = 10 {-27} m.

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Based on what? The mass? And then you will use that size to "predict" the mass?

[Kuyukov Vitaly]

Size is known for the scale of a great union.

[swansont]

  On 7/8/2019 at 1:56 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

In essence, this formula should be part of quantum gravity, so G. is included in it.

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Why does gravity determine the size of the particle?

  1 hour ago, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

 According to this formula, the electron radius will be R = 10 {-27} m.

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So, not a point particle?

 

[Kuyukov Vitaly]

A one-dimensional object, not a string, but objects of the type of braid or knot.

 Yes, gravity, because the fundamental particles are objects of quantum gravity.

[Strange]

  On 7/8/2019 at 2:46 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

Size is known for the scale of a great union.

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That doesn't mean anything. Maybe try Google Translate?

Please answer these questions: (and please use the Quote function so we know what you are replying to)

  On 7/8/2019 at 1:56 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

Yes, it is possible to predict the mass on the basis of this formula, if the size is known

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And how would the size be known ?

  On 7/8/2019 at 1:56 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

According to this formula, the electron radius will be R = 10 {-27} m.

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Based on what? The mass? And then you will use that size to "predict" the mass?

[Mordred]

  On 7/8/2019 at 12:51 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

 3. All masses are derived from the order of mass of the Higgs boson.  But where does the Higgs mass come from?  

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Here is a clear example of where your methodology is wrong.

The mass in this example is derived by the Higgs self coupling constant with the vacuum expectation value. I can post the relevant two formulas later on.

Your methodology makes no sense considering mass is resistance to inertia change and invariably all particle mass terms will depend on their relevant coupling constants and not on G

The mass term has no relation to particle size but is a measure of how strongly a particle couple's as seen by the definition of mass in physics

There are numerous formulas involving the Higgs field cross  sections in determine the coupling constant involved. Far too many to post however the two primary formulas are

$v^2=-\frac {\mu^2}{2\lambda}$

$M_H^2=2v^2\lambda$

Where v relates  to the VeV of 246 Gev and $\lambda$ is the Higgs self coupling constant.

$\mu$ is a decay mode derived through the cross sections 

Edited July 8, 2019 by Mordred

[Mordred]

It would take too long to go through all the CKMS mixing angles for that. Needless to say your Formula is quaranteed to get the wrong answer.

For example the mass of the electron can be determined by the Rydberg constant and the fine structure constant and the appropriate formula. (Easily Google'd the formulas  on wiki electron rest mass page are correct)

 

Edited July 8, 2019 by Mordred

[Bufofrog]

  On 7/8/2019 at 1:52 PM, Strange said:

The Higgs boson is a fundamental particle and so is treated as a point particle with zero size.

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Thanks for info.

[swansont]

  On 7/8/2019 at 3:11 PM, Kuyukov Vitaly said:

the fundamental particles are objects of quantum gravity.

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I don't know what this means.

Thus far you have not ruled out "I combined a bunch of constants such that the units worked" which isn't science.