Externet Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 This is new for me, dropped my jaw as never seen before. Enjoy ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQMYpzbQIDA
Curious layman Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQMYpzbQIDA any chance of posting actual video, its very good. I can't do it I'm afraid. BTW, videos of a Tailorbird building nest. Very impressive I think (2:23 long) Edited July 27, 2019 by Curious layman
Sensei Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Externet said: This is new for me, dropped my jaw as never seen before. Nice. I would get a few eggs of this bird, rise them, and check whether they are able to make such nest on their own. If not, it is knowledge they gained from their parents, shared and sustained from generation to generation. Obviously I like Chimp Memory Test: ps. I have "hilarious" idea for experiment: wear VR glasses on chimp and let him or her walk and see virtual reality through them generated in the real time (and let him or her being able to modify this VR world).
John Cuthber Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) The experiment which Sensei proposed was done some time ago; albeit with pigeons.https://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/zLowne1879.pdf Edited July 27, 2019 by John Cuthber
dimreepr Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 It's almost like we need a new definition of intelligence. 1
iNow Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, dimreepr said: It's almost like we need a new definition of intelligence. I didn’t realize we had an existing one... 1
Sensei Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, iNow said: I didn’t realize we had an existing one... Watch "Westworld"..
iNow Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sensei said: Watch "Westworld" Done. Still don’t have a useful agreed upon definition for intelligence that enjoys consensus.
Sensei Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, iNow said: Done. Still don’t have a useful agreed upon definition for intelligence that enjoys consens Are Westworld presented entities... A.I. ... ? What is needed to have consens BTW?
iNow Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) There are different kinds of intelligence. We lack a single model. Five people who say the word will have five different definitions. I don’t think we’ll ever have a consensus on a single definition, but at least perhaps we can have a consensus to describe specifically what we mean when introducing the term. Do we mean social intelligence, mathematical intelligence, creative intelligence, emotional intelligence, navigational intelligence, political intelligence, verbal intelligence, problem solving intelligence, musical intelligence, algorithmic intelligence, child rearing intelligence, something else? You see my point? Edited July 27, 2019 by iNow
Sensei Posted July 27, 2019 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, iNow said: You see my point? Are animals aware of so many definitions of intelligences at all.. ? 18 minutes ago, iNow said: political intelligence, Please..... do not provoke me.. Edited July 27, 2019 by Sensei
iNow Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Sensei said: Are animals aware of so many definitions of intelligences at all.. ? Maybe. Maybe not. Here’s a dog that can identify over 1,000 distinct object accurately: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/chaser-smartest-dog-in-world-60-minutes-2019-07-27/?fbclid=IwAR25IqQ6XhWDkRx6A0g_PVEmNOydyz4ukX607YY7Rb-S0KMCUuJT-HQC7iE
Sensei Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 8 hours ago, iNow said: Maybe. Maybe not. Here’s a dog that can identify over 1,000 distinct object accurately: If I would be making such classification, I would split to "being able to recognize physical object", and "being able to abstract thinking".
naitche Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) On 7/27/2019 at 3:31 PM, Sensei said: Nice. I would get a few eggs of this bird, rise them, and check whether they are able to make such nest on their own. If not, it is knowledge they gained from their parents, shared and sustained from generation to generation. Birds, notably crows and parrotts (esp. the longer lived species) have demonstrated huge vocabularies and an ability to create their own sentences from known words. Crows will use tools and have demonstrated an understanding of concepts like displacement. Plenty of video and research, easily found.African Grey Parrots and crows have featured in a lot of this research. I'd be inclined to think this particular behaviour is inherent, or 'Fixed", But would be guessing Dogs bred for purpose, rather than show ring, often display that sort of fixed behaviour. A good herding dog, pointer, retriever or personal protection dog performs its task inherently with without training. Training is to show the dog how you want the task done. These environmental responses seem to decrease rapidly once the show ring starts to dictate 'Standards". Few people using dogs for original purpose will even attempt to utilise a show bred dog. Quote Edited July 28, 2019 by naitche
Curious layman Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 Never new this, but Ravens can talk... Talking raven. 12 seconds in.
naitche Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 Quite a few birds can. Some dogs have been known to do so as well, mostly trained, but not always.
John Cuthber Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 The phenomenon has been recorded in the past.https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48860/the-raven
Curious layman Posted August 9, 2019 Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) Ok, so this post was enjoying retirement but seriously impressed with this. Honey Badgers teamwork at the beginning and problem solving at the end. Genius https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c36UNSoJenI Edited August 9, 2019 by Curious layman
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