John Cuthber Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: Complex systems don't just pop into existence as an explosion and lead to complex bio machinery that leads to life. Nobody said they did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Anyway, just a thought, as far as I understand it, this "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is an instruction not to lie about what others have said and this "Well anybody who screws mankind is an abomination" is a dishonest report of what Leviticus (reportedly) said. Shouldn't you be apologising for doing that?
Moontanman Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, Wulphstein said: I liked the old interpretation better. Don't screw humanity over like you'd screw your girlfriend. It seems like that's what atheists are doing with their anti-social, hate humanity, attitude. God's interpretation of the Bible is more inclined to heal the soul; while atheists lie to people and tell them they don't have souls. Now you are just preaching nonsense, against the rules even in the religion section...
John Cuthber Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Wulphstein said: It seems like that's what atheists are doing with their anti-social, hate humanity, attitude. To whom does it seem that way? Is there any evidence to support that view? 2 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: Don't screw humanity over like you'd screw your girlfriend. Screwing your girlfriend would also get you stoned to death- for adultery. Have you actually read your scriptures?
Strange Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: So why does it refer to the generality of mankind about something so specific like *** your wife or girlfriend? IT DOESN"T: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman" Quote Leviticus 20:13 New International Version (NIV) 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, dimreepr said: 6 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: Nobody said they did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Anyway, just a thought, as far as I understand it, this "Thou shalt not bear false witness" is an instruction not to lie about what others have said and this "Well anybody who screws mankind is an abomination" is a dishonest report of what Leviticus (reportedly) said. Shouldn't you be apologising for doing that? It's not a strawman argument. It's the whole reason atheism if a lie. The physical universe is a complex system whose periodic table is very stable, which allows organic life to form. It's those physics constants that were picked just right. I've always liked Leviticus. It is a passionate section of the Bible with some real zest, some joy of life, not this atheist "squeeze your soul until your spirit dies" kind of philosophical lie. Life should be enjoyed. People should have hope. People are happy with faith. Ifyou were part of the community, trying to make your tribe a little happier, humanity would be happier. -1
Strange Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: Life should be enjoyed. People should have hope. People are happy with faith. What makes you think atheists don't enjoy life, don't have hope and are not happy? Quote Ifyou were part of the community, trying to make your tribe a little happier, humanity would be happier. That doesn't require one to believe in gods.
dimreepr Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Wulphstein said: It's the whole reason atheism if a lie. Atheism isn't anything, let alone a lie; let me ask, in vane, one last time, why do you need God? And please, unless you actually answer my question, stop interrupting the cricket (it's far more interesting).
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: To whom does it seem that way? Is there any evidence to support that view? Screwing your girlfriend would also get you stoned to death- for adultery. Have you actually read your scriptures? You're thinking of Islam. 13 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: o whom does it seem that way? Is there any evidence to support that view? Atheists say horrible things about people of faith. It's really nasty and hateful! You should open an eye and look.
John Cuthber Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: life should be enjoyed. Not unless you are straight and married, according to Leviticus. 6 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: The physical universe is a complex system whose periodic table is very stable, which allows organic life to form. It's those physics constants that were picked just right. That's a poor argument. Douglas Adams squashed it more eloquently than I ever will, so here's a quote. “This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
Strange Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Wulphstein said: Atheists say horrible things about people of faith. It's really nasty and hateful! Unlike the nasty things you have said about atheists?
Moontanman Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, Wulphstein said: You're thinking of Islam. Atheists say horrible things about people of faith. It's really nasty and hateful! You should open an eye and look. Trolling trolling trolling Keep those goal posts moving Godfly!
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Strange said: That doesn't require one to believe in gods. You and the soulless AI that science keeps promising, should form a tribe. -1
John Cuthber Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: You're thinking of Islam. You do know where they got it from, don't you? Leviticus 20.10 New International Version (NIV) “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. 4 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: Atheists say horrible things about people of faith. It's really nasty and hateful! You should open an eye and look. https://xkcd.com/285/
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, Moontanman said: Godfly! 1 minute ago, Moontanman said: Trolling trolling trolling Keep those goal posts moving Godfly! 2 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: You do know where they got it from, don't you? Leviticus 20.10 New International Version (NIV) “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. I don't see GOD making a point about it today. God seems to be telling people they are loved. The commandment is outdated.
dimreepr Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: You and the soulless AI that science keeps promising, should form a tribe. So who wins?
John Cuthber Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, Wulphstein said: God seems to be telling people they are loved. God is notably not saying anything. He never did. You are making up what you want to hear.
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, dimreepr said: So who wins? What do you mean?
dimreepr Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 Well, England has a lead of 90 runs on a pitch that spins and does something with the new ball but England has yet to work out how to get Smith out...
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, John Cuthber said: God is notably not saying anything. He never did. You are making up what you want to hear. Revelation 2:7 “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.” If you can't hear, then ... there you go.
John Cuthber Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wulphstein said: Revelation 2:7 “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.” If you can't hear, then ... there you go. So, the God who you say is showing love is condemning be by not telling me. That's a shitty way for Him to behave, isn't it? Bother! Best move this post too. Edited August 3, 2019 by John Cuthber
Wulphstein Posted August 3, 2019 Author Posted August 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Cuthber said: the God who you say is showing love is condemning be by not telling me. That's a shitty way for Him to behave, isn't it? Bother! Best move this post too. What are you talking about? That's not what the passage says.
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