Theory To Test - Stop Mind Reading

[StopListeningToOurConversa]

Let's say, in theory... that I recently discovered that my thoughts have been being harvested by mind readers that can hear my every thought, and that I could faintly hear them the whole time, (but only recently realized it as I recall the memories of the voices I thought were an extension of my own thoughts), and now they're getting annoying, because they're trying to get me to stop listening to them... LOL wild start, but stick with me. What kind of experiments could I try to stop them from reading my mind? (serious answers please) I can try some tests, and see if I could still hear them. (nothing too invasive)

 

[QuantumT]

I think we're in the tin foil hat department. And I don't just mean that as a joke. Metal does stop EM signals, if the brain could somehow transmit and receive them.

[StopListeningToOurConversa]

4 minutes ago, QuantumT said:

I think we're in the tin foil hat department. And I don't just mean that as a joke. Metal does stop EM signals, if the brain could somehow transmit and receive them.

What metal(s) and thickness would be best suited for this experiment?

Edited August 9, 2019 by StopListeningToOurConversa

[QuantumT]

57 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

What metal(s) and thickness would be best suited for this experiment?

Sorry, I can't willfully indulge in someones paranoid delusion.

[Phi for All]

1 hour ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

Let's say, in theory... that I recently discovered that my thoughts have been being harvested by mind readers that can hear my every thought, and that I could faintly hear them the whole time, (but only recently realized it as I recall the memories of the voices I thought were an extension of my own thoughts), and now they're getting annoying, because they're trying to get me to stop listening to them.

Since you came to a science discussion forum with this, you'll need to establish that thoughts can be "harvested by mind readers" FIRST, before any meaningful experiment can be decided. You'll need to rule out all sources of faintly heard voices (or sounds that could be interpreted as such). It would be optimal also if you could remove yourself from any judgements or conclusions in the process (such as have someone else listen for the voices).

You need evidence that mind reading is possible. So far, none has ever been found, at least none that was testable or predictable (which is a scientific requirement). Keep in mind (ha), evolution would practically guarantee that such a beneficial ability would spread in each generation. If it existed at all, it wouldn't take long before we could see measurable results within a population. And we don't, so the default stance is that humans can't read each other's minds. 

 

[zapatos]

1 hour ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

What metal(s) and thickness would be best suited for this experiment?

That's part of the experiment. Try different thicknesses. Start with aluminum as that is the easiest to start with and manipulate.

[Curious layman]

If your being serious, then may I suggest a more appropriate forum for your question.

https://www.psychforums.com/psychotic-disorders/ (being serious).

if I've taken you too seriously though....apologies

Edited August 9, 2019 by Curious layman

[StopListeningToOurConversa]

 

3 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

Since you came to a science discussion forum with this, you'll need to establish that thoughts can be "harvested by mind readers" FIRST, before any meaningful experiment can be decided. You'll need to rule out all sources of faintly heard voices (or sounds that could be interpreted as such). It would be optimal also if you could remove yourself from any judgements or conclusions in the process (such as have someone else listen for the voices).

You need evidence that mind reading is possible. So far, none has ever been found, at least none that was testable or predictable (which is a scientific requirement). Keep in mind (ha), evolution would practically guarantee that such a beneficial ability would spread in each generation. If it existed at all, it wouldn't take long before we could see measurable results within a population. And we don't, so the default stance is that humans can't read each other's minds. 

 

Let's say in theory... I have conducted the experiments over the past several months, and that there is no circumstance in which I can not hear them. No desolate forest, no sound-proof room,  no use of loud machinery while wearing hearing protection... I feel that there would be reasonable evidence (improvable to others at this point) that the theory is valid. I am a very observant and open-minded person, but I'm having trouble finding like-minded individuals to even come close to attempting experiments involving other individuals.

17 minutes ago, zapatos said:

That's part of the experiment. Try different thicknesses. Start with aluminum as that is the easiest to start with and manipulate.

I would like to "Thomas Edison" this as little as possible (by finding tons of ways that don't work first). What would be the most likely to succeed? What material will block any number of various waves effectively?

[QuantumT]

Assuming you're not a loonie, I will give my best shot at an answer, in hope that it is just a far out scientific inquiry.

EMF as a direct mind-to-mind communication protocol is far to unlikely to be considered realistic. Brain cells don't send or receive such signals. I wouldn't waste my time in that direction.

But it has been suggested, by respected scientists, that a person could get entangled. This could be an (however far out) explanation to the "observation effect" in quantum mechanics.
If we play with that thought, a nonlocal connection between peoples thoughts and/or feelings might be plausible.

The persons being entangled is presumably very close. Like family members or lovers.
The bad news, however, is that you would then have no way of shielding yourself against it.

[Curious layman]

How can they "hear" you listening to them? If they can hear you, and you can hear them, does that mean you can talk to each other?. I think you need to rationalise it. Like you said:-

15 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

 

 ....and that there is no circumstance in which I can not hear them. No desolate forest, no sound-proof room,  no use of loud machinery while wearing hearing protection... 

...It's all in your head, so you need to speak to someone who specialises/has knowledge in mental conditions i.e. Doctor, psychologist, psychiatrist...only in theory of course.

[Phi for All]

5 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

Let's say in theory... 

No. In science, theory is the best there is. A theory isn't a guess, it isn't a what-if, it isn't a speculation. Forget the dictionary definition of theory when you're talking about actual science. Theories are based on mathematical models and tons of experiments. [/rant]

9 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

I have conducted the experiments over the past several months, and that there is no circumstance in which I can not hear them. No desolate forest, no sound-proof room,  no use of loud machinery while wearing hearing protection.

But unless those experiments were done by (or at least validated by) a third party, your perceptions are too tainted for these purposes. You want it to be true, but your job as a scientist is to prove your idea is false.

13 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

I am a very observant and open-minded person, but I'm having trouble finding like-minded individuals to even come close to attempting experiments involving other individuals.

This also makes you susceptible to cognitive biases that can interfere with experimentation. The smarter and more imaginative you are, the more your brain works to make sense of the patterns you perceive. The human brain is relentless in its quest to help you figure the world out, and it's not always honest in its loyalty.

The null hypothesis in this scenario is that whatever voices you're hearing have a local origin. I've heard people say that we all have voices in our heads telling us to do things, but most of us don't act on them. If you have a problem filtering or editing which ones are helping or harming, you should see a professional.

 

[zapatos]

25 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

I would like to "Thomas Edison" this as little as possible (by finding tons of ways that don't work first). What would be the most likely to succeed? What material will block any number of various waves effectively?

Unless you can describe exactly what the waves are there is no way to predetermine what might likely block it.

[StopListeningToOurConversa]

3 minutes ago, QuantumT said:

Assuming you're not a loonie, I will give my best shot at an answer, in hope that it is just a far out scientific inquiry.

EMF as a direct mind-to-mind communication protocol is far to unlikely to be considered realistic. Brain cells don't send or receive such signals. I wouldn't waste my time in that direction.

But it has been suggested, by respected scientists, that a person could get entangled. This could be an (however far out) explanation to the "observation effect" in quantum mechanics.
If we play with that thought, a nonlocal connection between peoples thoughts and/or feelings might be plausible.

The persons being entangled is presumably very close. Like family members or lovers.
The bad news, however, is that you would then have no way of shielding yourself against it.

Let's say in theory... I have conducted experiments of conversation, and that yes I have communicated back and forth as a conversation would go. It once was reasonably pleasant, but as I grew to examine the input in ways that deduced their protocol and how the feat was accomplished, the tides turned, and they updated to a more strict protocol to follow, and now mostly follow a loop of unpleasant phrases that are intended to get me to tune them out.... To me, this sort of change in conversation doesn't line up with your "direct mind-to-mind" theory. I would sooner go with technology, which is part of why I came here. The other is that I'm interested in taking a scientific approach to stopping the "loop of unpleasant phrases" that I probably shouldn't go into any further about.

[QuantumT]

2 minutes ago, StopListeningToOurConversa said:

The other is that I'm interested in taking a scientific approach to stopping the "loop of unpleasant phrases" that I probably shouldn't go into any further about.

That approach would be medicine.

[StopListeningToOurConversa]

20 minutes ago, zapatos said:

Unless you can describe exactly what the waves are there is no way to predetermine what might likely block it.

That's too true. This is part of my dilemma in researching reasonable options. I'm only guessing that it involves waves of some sort.

[Curious layman]

There not scalar waves are they? - "How to neutralise mind control" in Engineering by dan9191 for someone with similar problem (involving waves not voices). 

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scalar_wave No 4~ mind control.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Curious layman

[TechnologyIsAdvancedFurthe]

Considering that technology is always more advanced than what people in average society know about... this seems like an inevitability

and Considering how powerful anyone with such technology would be, it would definitely be kept a secret from everyone. 

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by TechnologyIsAdvancedFurthe