scifimath Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 You may think you have evidence of a particle acting as a wave at the same time ..but you don't. You are assuming they are both at the same time because you are not taking observation into account. You wouldn't catch a quantum wave being a wave before it went through a detector (that it was moving towards). The particle is likely pre-set to be physical or a wave before it starts moving. Observation gives one type of result ..a physical one. (unless you messing around with polarizers) . They key to killing duality is pointing out that the final panel of an experiment doesn't count as observation. When you say you can measure wave-like properties, it is derived from that final panel. If quantum observation doesn't show wave-like properties, duality at the same time falls apart. Quantum observation is only for detectors in the path of a particle that allows the particle to continue on. This post predicts what happens when Spacetime gets involved with unobserved quantum waves from the act of observation. The act of Observation/Measurement is a request of quantum wave information to Spacetime. The interaction is someone purposely placing a detector wanting a particle to be physical. You make a request by setting something that can analyze the particle during its life/path. The state of a particle is decided before it starts. Double slit interpretation: Randomly shot particles are shot through a double slit, if no one places a detector in the path of the particle, the unobserved particle will be in the form of two waves (one for each slit) . Depending on the which wave ends up with more energy (after the split) ..the final position of a channel representing a fringe will be the final resting place of the now collapsed particle. If the energy wasn't unbalanced, I would expect to see only a single channel of fringe be filled in. Now a detector gets placed anywhere along the path between the cannon and the final landing screen. The particle shot will be collapsed upon leaving the cannon because the state of the particle has already been decided. It won't be waves, just a particle. It's been pulled from the unobserved quantum realm and made physical in Spacetime. It will go through one slit and hit the final screen in a normal clump. If you accept this interpretation ..then you accept a particle being either a particle or waves ..not both at the same time. You now also know that placing a detector in an experiment is a request from a human to the realm of unobserved QM to swap quantum waves into something physical. Observation is then a property of Spacetime. Observation is the reason Spacetime exits. General Relativity = Spacetime = the theory of the large scale Unobserved QM = Waves = the theory of the small scale They are both realms in the same domain Observed (Spacetime) vs Unobserved (Quantum Waves) Observation is then a request to bring an object from one realm to the other. Observation is the bridge between the two. The theory of the very large and small are unified. This is conditional statement that formulates a Theory of Everything: If (spacetime object){ //larger than abbes diffraction limit (or the equivalent mass energy levels - quanta) OR being observed current situation = General Relativity; } else{current situation = Unobserved QM; } //The particle collapses no matter the state when it hits a predefined Spacetime object. There is a duality of realms, but the object in question is either in one or the other. Duality is impossible for particles if it can tunnel or fit through a space smaller than its structure. Waves can do that sort of thing ..not physical (observed) objects. The delayed choice quantum eraser shows us that the entire life of the particle is known. The entire life of both entangled particles. The first particle knows if the partner will ever be observed in its path. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, scifimath said: You Who is "you" ? 6 minutes ago, scifimath said: may think you have evidence of a particle acting as a wave at the same time ..but you don't. Who has claimed that this is a phenomenon for which there would be evidence? One problem here is that you obviously have not understood what is meant by the wave particle duality (which is a basic explanation used to try and not frighten people away from the weirdness of quantum mechanics, but does not really contain much science) 6 minutes ago, scifimath said: You are assuming they are both at the same time because you are not taking observation into account. You wouldn't catch a quantum wave being a wave before it went through a detector (that it was moving towards). The particle is likely pre-set to be physical or a wave before it starts moving. Observation gives one type of result ..a physical one. (unless you messing around with polarizers) . They key to killing duality is pointing out that the final panel of an experiment doesn't count as observation. When you say you can measure wave-like properties, it is derived from that final panel. If quantum observation doesn't show wave-like properties, duality at the same time falls apart. Quantum observation is only for detectors in the path of a particle that allows the particle to continue on. This post predicts what happens when Spacetime gets involved with unobserved quantum waves from the act of observation. The act of Observation/Measurement is a request of quantum wave information to Spacetime. The interaction is someone purposely placing a detector wanting a particle to be physical. You make a request by setting something that can analyze the particle during its life/path. The state of a particle is decided before it starts. Double slit interpretation: Randomly shot particles are shot through a double slit, if no one places a detector in the path of the particle, the unobserved particle will be in the form of two waves (one for each slit) . Depending on the which wave ends up with more energy (after the split) ..the final position of a channel representing a fringe will be the final resting place of the now collapsed particle. If the energy wasn't unbalanced, I would expect to see only a single channel of fringe be filled in. Now a detector gets placed anywhere along the path between the cannon and the final landing screen. The particle shot will be collapsed upon leaving the cannon because the state of the particle has already been decided. It won't be waves, just a particle. It's been pulled from the unobserved quantum realm and made physical in Spacetime. It will go through one slit and hit the final screen in a normal clump. If you accept this interpretation ..then you accept a particle being either a particle or waves ..not both at the same time. You now also know that placing a detector in an experiment is a request from a human to the realm of unobserved QM to swap quantum waves into something physical. Observation is then a property of Spacetime. Observation is the reason Spacetime exits. General Relativity = Spacetime = the theory of the large scale Unobserved QM = Waves = the theory of the small scale They are both realms in the same domain Observed (Spacetime) vs Unobserved (Quantum Waves) Observation is then a request to bring an object from one realm to the other. Observation is the bridge between the two. The theory of the very large and small are unified. This is conditional statement that formulates a Theory of Everything: If (spacetime object){ //larger than abbes diffraction limit (or the equivalent mass energy levels - quanta) OR being observed current situation = General Relativity; } else{current situation = Unobserved QM; } //The particle collapses no matter the state when it hits a predefined Spacetime object. There is a duality of realms, but the object in question is either in one or the other. Duality is impossible for particles if it can tunnel or fit through a space smaller than its structure. Waves can do that sort of thing ..not physical (observed) objects. The delayed choice quantum eraser shows us that the entire life of the particle is known. The entire life of both entangled particles. The first particle knows if the partner will ever be observed in its path. ! Moderator Note Now all you need to do is come up with a model for how all of this happens. As it stands, you don't have one, and this does not meet the standard of rigor for discussion in speculations. It's assertions based on a poor understanding of pop-sci explanations of QM. "You make a request by setting something that can analyze the particle during its life/path. The state of a particle is decided before it starts." looks close to being a prediction, until one examines it in detail. If that is decided beforehand, you need to be able to discern that in a quantum model (which you don't have) because otherwise such behavior is nonlocal, and the explanation is ad-hoc. There is no predictive value to it. IOW, no matter what answer you get, you just point to "it knew beforehand". There is no way, in principle, to falsify it. Without a model or testable hypothesis, or experimental evidence, this does not meet the requirements of speculations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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