MultiSingularity Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Isn't it strange we can track the gap between some galaxies spreading faster than the speed of light? Two galaxies are gaining distance so fast that it's quicker than light. Well, that's what they tell us ..and that it's fine that it is quicker than light because it's just the space between the objects going faster. What? Nobody questions how weird this is? If that were true, our galaxy would be moving faster than light. The extra distance usually isn't even in the direction they are moving to or away from. It turns out that quantum fluctuations in empty space is proof spacetime is around. You aren't going to find it in empty space outside of galaxy. It's why the space outside a galaxy "expands" and nothing inside does. It's as if galaxies have a spacetime bubble around them. That means empty space outside one is truly empty, it's nothingness (the quantum field without fluctuations). If the galaxies aren't actually moving that fast ..it implies nothingness has a variable of distance that doesn't actually produce physical distance. It's unreal distance? Unobservable distance? Devoid of spacetime? It's as if spacetime bubbles cause galaxies to free fall through nothingness to cause these gaps between them. Or maybe the opposite ..the bubbles are rising. Should we start screwing around with an extra dimension to explain it? Nothingness isn't going to expand even if there is an outer shell (the big bang) getting larger. It's nothingness. There isn't anything to enlarge. Spacetime bubbles seem to be attached to the outer shell though. ..so the bubbles are moving in empty space, but because it is in nothingness, it doesn't get speed/momentum. Spacetime bubbles are attached to the outer shell(the big bang) by something unexpected. Every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at the center. This black hole is what attaches/anchors galaxies to the outer shell. The black hole also gives the gift of spacetime. Singularities or the outer shell seem to be the source of spacetime. That singularity is probably entangled. Dark Matter is in a location of nothingness ..without spacetime, without the ability to have a physical state ..to be real. oh, you want to challenge my statement of spacetime not being outside of galaxies. Okay, well, I some more arguments for that. "We already know that once you are far enough away, the universe acts like a magnifying glass and objects start to increase in size in the sky." https://scitechdaily.com/fundamental-law-of-classical-physics-reversed-in-new-research-on-giant-radio-galaxies/?fbclid=IwAR1oTvB78nZWQnlPPL6vakNgPPRARMYurlqUhyILtAYsvdHBnX_NQQP7NV8 https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/degrees-of-freedom/the-cosmic-magnifying-lens/?fbclid=IwAR2m7Zo5eyLoYsAvv17fVbtF3ply2eNyWFQ558hyptq3P_OxOSAammWLgt4 And the other is redshift from only distance. I'm claiming voids of no spacetime is causing that type of redshift. If dark energy is actually a thing ..it would only be the energy used to move the galaxy bubbles through nothingness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 A lot of misconceptions and misunderstanding. I suggest you either start asking questions on this forum to fill in the gaps in your knowledge, or get a good book on cosmology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 I love blanket statements that I'm wrong and should read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Get ready for more of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 If each supermassive black hole has a singularity ..they are entangled with the first singularity ..the big bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufofrog Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, MultiSingularity said: Isn't it strange we can track the gap between some galaxies spreading faster than the speed of light? Two galaxies are gaining distance so fast that it's quicker than light. Well, that's what they tell us ..and that it's fine that it is quicker than light because it's just the space between the objects going faster. What? Nobody questions how weird this is? Galaxies are not moving through space faster than light. The distance between two galaxies can increase faster than the speed of light because space is expanding, without violating relativity. 16 minutes ago, MultiSingularity said: If each supermassive black hole has a singularity ..they are entangled with the first singularity ..the big bang Do you have any evidence of that? Edited November 1, 2019 by Bufofrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Its mumbo jumbo that gets you to believe it isn't violating relativity ..lucky for you I explained what us actually happening. Yes, I have three arguments why spacetime is only in galaxies. The singularity is providing the location and spacetime bubble for each galaxy. -5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) I always wondered what the connection between the singularity that started spacetime and a singularity at the bottom of a black hole was ..now I know ..blowing my own mind over here. Each black hole is holding an instance of spacetime. Like looking at the ark of the covenant. The galaxy gets to be physical ..real. Edited November 1, 2019 by MultiSingularity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) @geordief All motion is relative. Expansion/inflation is not motion. @MultiSingularity "each supermassive black hole has a singularity ..they are entangled with the first singularity ..the big bang" No, there is no evidence or physical interpretation for any singularity, neither in a BH or at the Big Bang event. It is an extrapolation of a theory past its useable limits. I don't think you quite grasp entanglement. And even if you could entangle two 'singularities' across distances ( note that ALL information about a BH is encoded on the event horizon' NOT the singularity ), how do you propose to 'entangle' across time, where one event is the product of another ? Definition of entanglement from Wiki... "An entangled system is defined to be one whose quantum state cannot be factored as a product of states of its local constituents; that is to say, they are not individual particles but are an inseparable whole." Edited November 1, 2019 by MigL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 He’s copy/pasted this same silliness across multiple science forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) Oh boy we have a few misconceptions here. Let's start with the first one. Recessive velocity the recessive velocity is based on Hubble's law. [math]v_{recessive}=H_Od[/math] The greater the seperation distance the greater the recessive velocity. So above Hubble horizon you can get greater than c recessive velocity. However the galaxies are NOT moving greater than c. They have roughly the same inertia as the Milky way. Recessive velocity depends on the above formula. It is not a true velocity so GR isn't violated. As mentioned the BB singularity isn't the same as the BH singularity. Singularity simply described a condition where the math breaks down ie infinite quantities or points where the results of an equation starts giving nonsense answers. This is conditions outside the validity bounds of a theory of equations. Entanglement itself isn't involved between the BB singularity nor a BH one cannot garnish any information from a BH that will provide information on the BB. Different conditions are involved so you cannot have a correlation function which entangled states requires. Spacetime applies equally to both space within and outside galaxies. The FLRW metric which is a simplification of GR does an excellent job describing both region's. Despite the OPs assertions. Edited November 1, 2019 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 8 hours ago, MultiSingularity said: Isn't it strange we can track the gap between some galaxies spreading faster than the speed of light? ! Moderator Note No. Moved to Speculations. Please note the special rules for this part of the forum; in particular, the need to provide support for your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufofrog Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 10 hours ago, MultiSingularity said: each black hole is holding an instance of spacetime. Like looking at the ark of the covenant. The galaxy gets to be physical ..real. Black holes are like a chest holding the 10 commandments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 ! Moderator Note Questions about expansion have been split. https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/120440-expansion-split-from-empty-space-inside-galaxies-must-be-different-than-empty-space-outside-of-them/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 16 hours ago, MultiSingularity said: It turns out that quantum fluctuations in empty space is proof spacetime is around. You aren't going to find it in empty space outside of galaxy. It's why the space outside a galaxy "expands" and nothing inside does. It's as if galaxies have a spacetime bubble around them. That means empty space outside one is truly empty, it's nothingness Some basic layman questions about your idea: How is it, according to your idea, that light and radiation from other galaxies can be observed? How does the photons get here if space between galaxies is "truly empty"? How does your idea explain the observations of intergalactic stars? What kind of environment are they supposed to exist in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I don't care so much about the speed thing as I do about the distance magically appearing. Any object in interstellar space was likely formed in a spacetime bubble and then was tossed out. Nothingness is the quantum field without fluctuations. Okay, new idea. You don't get gravity without spacetime, so the first spacetime bubble from the big bang had to be around to allow the supermassive black holes to form. But after they did their thing and a galaxy formed, the spacetime bubble around the galaxy broke away from the main bubble. The big bang is still banging but all it is doing is increasing the distance between spacetime bubbles proportionately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 ! Moderator Note You need to do better than random unsupported claims. Otherwise the thread will be closed. Where is the math for this model showing that it matches what we observe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I just explained why no one can agree on the Hubble Constant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) You haven't explained anything without the needed mathematics. The best explanation for the disagreement of the Hubble constant is that our local group is in an underdense region. That theory has the required mathematics and studies of observational evidence. Edited November 2, 2019 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 "Underdense" hmm I wonder if that's because spacetime isn't outside our galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 20 hours ago, MultiSingularity said: Nothingness is the quantum field without fluctuations. Repeating it is not explaining. Another question: As far as I know quantum fluctuations is involved in the Lamb shift in the hydrogen spectrum. Since you state that there are no quantum fluctuations between galaxies, can you elaborate what your idea predicts about hydrogen absorption and emission spectrum in the intergalactic medium compared to hydrogen absorption and emission inside a galaxy? Does observations of intergalactic hydrogen support your idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordred Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MultiSingularity said: "Underdense" hmm I wonder if that's because spacetime isn't outside our galaxy. No try again. Here is the study https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.12402.pdf Edited November 2, 2019 by Mordred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MultiSingularity Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I didn't say the quantum field stops working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, MultiSingularity said: I didn't say the quantum field stops working Has someone claimed that you did say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 ! Moderator Note OK. You had your chance. There is no science here. Do not bring this up again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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