what-about-bob Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I wonder what size the quantum/classical boundary inside a black hole is. The smallest point in a black hole that involves spacetime would be the boundary size in every direction in the shape of a sphere. Anything that goes beyond that point would be only dark matter ..quantum waves, time isn't there. https://1ucasvb.tumblr.com/post/142605511227/in-einsteins-general-theory-of-relativity-space Spacetime scales when it bends. Reality is scaling. We already know about time dilation ..but a meter stick in one time scale (region of space) will shrink or expand in another time region. It will still be a meter no matter how much it scales, because, for that region ..that is the reality of what a meter length is. This is why the speed of light does not change. If we could somehow harness spacetime, we could magnify atoms ..not optically, with reality scaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Reality does not change with changing frames of reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what-about-bob Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Right, but if you zoom out of those frames ..you can see the scaling. You act like time dilation isn't a thing. Edited January 5, 2020 by what-about-bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, what-about-bob said: Right, but if you zoom out of those frames ..you can see the scaling. You act like time dilation isn't a thing. ! Moderator Note Not sure how you conclude this. Meanwhile, “If we could somehow harness spacetime, we could magnify atoms ..not optically, with reality scaling” is something that requires a whole lot more detail and amplification. Please focus on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what-about-bob Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) You can't have the speed of light be the same in different time-dilation zones without the entire scale of everything (in the frame) changing to match. I did say "somehow", we know mass bends spacetime, so if we could dynamically change the amount of mass a volume has... Edited January 5, 2020 by what-about-bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, what-about-bob said: You can't have the speed of light be the same in different time-dilation zones without the entire scale of everything (in the frame) changing to match. I did say "somehow", we know mass bends spacetime, so if we could dynamically change the amount of mass a volume has... ! Moderator Note Please address what I asked you to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what-about-bob Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 You don't like the dynamic mass idea. How about sending an observed atom experiment into a region we know will be scaled larger. We would set the focal point to be what we think the scale will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, what-about-bob said: You don't like the dynamic mass idea. How about sending an observed atom experiment into a region we know will be scaled larger. We would set the focal point to be what we think the scale will be. ! Moderator Note This is a science forum. You need to support your ideas with actual science: mathematics or evidence. Calculate the size of this "scaling" and show that is is a useful effect for magnifying atoms. Otherwise this thread will be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what-about-bob Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Scaling is derived from known time dilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The minimalist approach is not going to work here. It is not obvious what you mean by “scaled larger” (since lengths contract for moving objects) and what all a focal point has to do with it. If you aren’t going to explain your idea, based on actual physics, this will be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Hanke Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, what-about-bob said: You can't have the speed of light be the same in different time-dilation zones The speed of light is an invariant, it is the same everywhere locally. What you will observe however is that, if you send a beam of light through an extended region of curved spacetime, it will experience a frequency shift (ref Pound-Rebka experiment). I’ve said this on another thread recently - you need to remember that relativistic effects are relationships between frames at different places and times in spacetime, they are not physical changes that somehow happen to the local frames themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghideon Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, what-about-bob said: How about sending an observed atom experiment into a region we know will be scaled larger. In addition to other members' questions: what is "observed" in this context? Can you please provide some details on what difference it does make to the outcome of an experiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, what-about-bob said: Scaling is derived from known time dilation. ! Moderator Note One more chance: show your calculations in your next post or this will be closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 ! Moderator Note Sorry, I forgot: No second chances for sock puppets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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