teroko Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 THE WISE AND GOD _ Wise, about life… Too much bad things happen… _ Seems this is a wrong kind of life. Our World seems to be fortuitous. Is not as it was supposed a World and life would be. The things are not as they should be. _ Wise, God created the Universe, how would exist something wrong? _ God could have own troubles... _ But God would have all power to solve anything... What would be missing to solve the things? _ Nobody knows God's situation. There's no way to communicate with God. Who knows... _ Nothing that could be done about... _ One thing is true, if there is a God with a creation he must have a way to perceive it, may be through our own eyes and ears. So God could observe us and may be someone could imagine something useful for God to solve the things. Every thing we could solve here could help God solve something there. May be God could guide our intuition to something... Just maybe... May be also could be just a matter of time... That's what I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teroko Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) I believe in God. But my God has troubles. If not he would have already solved everything may be long time ago. That's my belief. The problem is that we don't know anything about God. We could only speculate in the possibilities our imagination could leave... Edited April 7, 2020 by teroko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 And on the Eighth Day he realised he was bored by the World He had created, and wandered off to do something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teroko Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 Well, some big problem could have come in the next "Eight Day" of the Creation. That's a possibility, right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Maybe She fell asleep after all that hard work and just hasn't woken up yet. So the seraphim have been playing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teroko Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 Is a possibility… But take into account that may be billons of years have passed since the Creation… Asleep all that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eise Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 6 hours ago, teroko said: The problem is that we don't know anything about God. Right. E.g. we don't even know if God exists. Which one, btw (Zeus, Wodan, the Flying Spaghetti Monster)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagl1 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eise said: Right. E.g. we don't even know if God exists. Which one, btw (Zeus, Wodan, the Flying Spaghetti Monster)? Why just one? Can't we have Zeus, Thor, and another few? All asleep, not caring about creation except for getting some people, in some times, in some cultures, to write/talk about them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Dagl1 said: Why just one? Can't we have Zeus, Thor, and another few? All asleep, not caring about creation except for getting some people, in some times, in some cultures, to write/talk about them... Indeed. It is much easier to explain the state of the world with multiple gods disagreeing with one another. Otherwise you have one god who appears to be insane, stupid or dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Strange said: Indeed. It is much easier to explain the state of the world with multiple gods disagreeing with one another. Otherwise you have one god who appears to be insane, stupid or dead. Unless... The one all-powerful, all-knowing god realized what a severe impediment an omnipotent being posed to a stable universe, so It removed Itself from existence. Now THAT is a loving god! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phi for All said: Unless... The one all-powerful, all-knowing god realized what a severe impediment an omnipotent being posed to a stable universe, so It removed Itself from existence. Now THAT is a loving god! "They will be much better off without me. I wouldn't be able to avoid tinkering and, based on past experience, it would only make things worse." I wish that some engineers I know had that attitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Strange said: "They will be much better off without me. I wouldn't be able to avoid tinkering and, based on past experience, it would only make things worse." I wish that some engineers I know had that attitude! I was thinking the same about economist's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Strange said: "They will be much better off without me. I wouldn't be able to avoid tinkering and, based on past experience, it would only make things worse." I wish that some engineers I know had that attitude! I think human children reach their ultimate maturity when their parents die. Life is different when you're the elder. Perhaps it's a bad thing if your parents are immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Strange said: And on the Eighth Day he realised he was bored by the World He had created, and wandered off to do something else. Why wouldn't He be ? He is omnipotent, and already knows everything that will ever happen, including the problems. Why would he have any interest in His creation after the fact ? So many paradoxes in religion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casio Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Interesting reading peoples views, understandings and misunderstandings regards scriptural knowledge, but one thing always stands out to me, and that is nobody seems to take the time out to do the research to prove to themselves why all the problems are here in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 hours ago, teroko said: Is a possibility… But take into account that may be billions of years have passed since the Creation… Asleep all that time? Programmers call it breakpoint in debugger.. Triggered when there is something interesting to see.. or something like this (for a start): if( ( stars.getCount() > 0 ) && ( planets.getCount() > 0 ) && ( lifeforms.getCount() > 0 ) ) { Sound.playSound( soundLibrary.getSound( SoundLibrary::LifeForms ), Sound::LOUD ); }; ..and there is always log file to check history what people did in the past.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 So, Sensei... God is a programmer, and the universe is a simulation ? And he is only awakened when something interesting happens ? We orbit a small star ,in an indiscreet, suburban neighborhood of an average galaxy, in a smallish cluster, located nowhere special. What interesting event could possibly happen here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, MigL said: What interesting event could possibly happen here ? ...reunification with other extraterrestrial life forms.. ? ..or to simply say goodbye to not really adult lifeforms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 hours ago, teroko said: Is a possibility… But take into account that may be billons of years have passed since the Creation… Asleep all that time? Several years have passed since for us, while for God it only happened a few minutes? 2 hours ago, MigL said: God is a programmer, and the universe is a simulation ? And he is only awakened when something interesting happens ? At the end of time God will keep the best seeds in deep Learning way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Kartazion said: At the end of time God will keep the best seeds in deep Learning way. ...are you in "deep learning mode".. my child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teroko Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 I know is a rather frustrating subject to treat. No really convincent solution seems to arise. Is just that I believe is something important to think about. I appreciate your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, teroko said: Is just that I believe is something important to think about. That is where we differ. What gods are doing, or if they exist, is not important at all. There is nothing less important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koti Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, teroko said: I know is a rather frustrating subject to treat. The treatment is actually very simple to devise but its much more difficult to implement...a lot of people tend to be immune to knowledge. Edited April 8, 2020 by koti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 hours ago, teroko said: No really convincent solution seems to arise. Oooh, I have one! Focus on the natural, not the supernatural! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartazion Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I do not understand. Why do you want to wait for God's intervention? Isn't it men who do? and badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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