zapatos Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 3:40 AM, Kartazion said: But Jesus is a great prophet. On 4/11/2020 at 3:01 AM, ArandomTheorist said: Expand No, he wasn't.
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 4:25 AM, zapatos said: No, he wasn't. Expand Okay. But why?
teroko Posted April 11, 2020 Author Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 4:12 AM, MigL said: It would accomplish just as much. Expand Well, if you think so, I vote for you to do that.
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 3:01 AM, ArandomTheorist said: Assuming there is a god Expand Why would you eve assume that? Why not start: "Assuming there is an invisible pink flying unicorn ..." It just seems a bizarre assumption to start from. On 4/11/2020 at 3:40 AM, Kartazion said: You are talking about a men who is not a God. Whether he really lived or not. But Jesus is a great prophet. Expand If he didn't exist, he can't have been any sort of prophet. Maybe you should read that other thread about whether he actually existed or not.
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 8:59 AM, Strange said: If he didn't exist, he can't have been any sort of prophet. Maybe you should read that other thread about whether he actually existed or not. Expand Sure. And this is for example, valid for each biblical character and prophet. But whether or not he existed in pulpit and bones does not change the fact that there is a God or not. I would not say the same for his influence, which made believers into Christian. But this is another subject.
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:02 AM, Kartazion said: Sure. And this is for example, valid for each biblical character and prophet. But whether or not he existed in pulpit and bones does not change the fact that there is a God or not. I would not say the same for his influence, which made believers into Christian. But this is another subject. Expand Right. But that is not what you said.
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:04 AM, Strange said: Right. But that is not what you said. Expand What I said.?
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:05 AM, Kartazion said: What I said.? Expand Memory problems? On 4/11/2020 at 3:40 AM, Kartazion said: But Jesus is a great prophet. Expand Not if he didn't exist.
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:06 AM, Strange said: Memory problems? Not if he didn't exist. Expand Lol. But in the scriptures there is.
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:09 AM, Kartazion said: Lol. But in the scriptures there is. Expand There is what?
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:11 AM, Strange said: There is what? Expand A story of a man whether he existed or not.
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:13 AM, Kartazion said: A story of a man whether he existed or not. Expand Stories, yes. But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet.
koti Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:24 AM, Strange said: Stories, yes. But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet. Expand This is turning into an English lesson. I'm voting for closure too.
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:24 AM, Strange said: But: if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet. Expand With 'ifs' one could put Paris in a bottle. -2
Strange Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:33 AM, koti said: This is turning into an English lesson. Expand Or one on logic. On 4/11/2020 at 10:36 AM, Kartazion said: With 'ifs' one could put Paris in a bottle. Expand I don't know what that means, but if you had said "If he existed he was a great prophet" then I would not have commented. But insisting that a probably mythical person "is" something is, essentially, false.
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:50 AM, Strange said: I don't know what that means, ... Expand As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world. On 4/11/2020 at 10:50 AM, Strange said: But insisting that a probably mythical person "is" something is, essentially, false. Expand This is precisely what the New Testament does.
koti Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 11:26 AM, Kartazion said: As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world. Expand So is it "Paris in a bottle" or "remake the world" ?
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 11:37 AM, koti said: So is it "Paris in a bottle" or "remake the world" ? Expand In France yes we say it like that "remake the world" https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si,_on_refait_le_monde But you also have the other, the 'international version' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si_on_mettrait_Paris_en_bouteille
koti Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) On 4/11/2020 at 11:48 AM, Kartazion said: In France yes we say it like that "remake the world" https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si,_on_refait_le_monde But you also have the other, the 'international version' https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/avec_des_si_on_mettrait_Paris_en_bouteille Expand Fascinating. I couldn't have found a worse way to use this proverb than towards Strange's sentence: "if he didn't exist he couldn't have been a great prophet" Let me share my home language proverb with you as well, please check "on the internet" for translation: https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/wyżej_sra,_niż_dupę_ma Edited April 11, 2020 by koti
dimreepr Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 11:26 AM, Kartazion said: As you can see on the Internet, it is a french proverb. In France we can say it in this way: With 'ifs' we can remake the world. This is precisely what the New Testament does. Expand You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if Jesus was real; what matters is what you learn from him/her/them...
Kartazion Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 12:56 PM, dimreepr said: what matters is what you learn from him/her/them... Expand And it makes him a great prophet. -2
dimreepr Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 1:09 PM, Kartazion said: And it makes him/her/them a great prophet. Expand FTFY It doesn't matter who brings the message, just read it...
Phi for All Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 3:01 AM, ArandomTheorist said: 3. can the god even interact in our dimension Expand Learn what a dimension is. It's not a plane of existence, or another realm. It has a scientific meaning. ! Moderator Note We've had enough calls for closure, so this really isn't a judgement call from a staff member who's involved, but I'm going to close this. This isn't a great topic for our format here, where we're looking for some trustworthiness behind the arguments we make. If you want to use your imagination to think about your gods, you should be able to find a site where the membership isn't actively trying to keep your feet on the ground.
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