Trump Connection to Hydroxychloroquine (split from Corona virus general questions mega thread)

[MigL]

I thought borders were already closed other than transporting of goods.

[CharonY]

2 minutes ago, MigL said:

I thought borders were already closed other than transporting of goods.

That why to some extent it appears to be more symbolic than actually having a practical reason. But it appears that they will also pause green card processing, which would affect folks already in the US, waiting for a green card. At the same time it does not appear to affect folks on immigration work visa.  And to me it is not clear what happens if status runs out while waiting in the US for a green card (though probably only few are affected).

But for the most part it is just one of the things to show that he still cares about such things to his base, I assume (or a general distraction from their leadership issues in addressing the epidemic).

[J.C.MacSwell]

17 hours ago, CharonY said:

That why to some extent it appears to be more symbolic than actually having a practical reason. But it appears that they will also pause green card processing, which would affect folks already in the US, waiting for a green card. At the same time it does not appear to affect folks on immigration work visa.  And to me it is not clear what happens if status runs out while waiting in the US for a green card (though probably only few are affected).

But for the most part it is just one of the things to show that he still cares about such things to his base, I assume (or a general distraction from their leadership issues in addressing the epidemic).

Also baiting the Democrats to over complain about something that, net effect at least, most Americans would be on board with. Most would agree that the borders should be for the most part closed due to Covid 19 (as they already are), and in the mind of the Public this reinforces it. (in actuality not much...as you said...no practical reason)

This should be mocked as a redundant measure. When vilified the talking point goes to Trump. He's probably already writing ads pointing out how Dems want to "open the borders" during the height of the pandemic, while wrapping himself in the flag and putting Americans first.

 

[iNow]

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/22/21231763/dr-rick-bright-fired-hhs-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-vaccine-trump
 

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Dr. Rick Bright says his demotion is an example of the White House putting “cronyism ahead of science.”

In a scathing letter, the former director of the federal agency overseeing the development of a coronavirus vaccine claims he was removed from his post following clashes with Trump administration officials over their pushing of unproven and potentially dangerous coronavirus treatments.

 

[CharonY]

Eh, politically there is no winning with Trump. There is so much stuff out there, there is no strong strategy to counter any of it. In the impeachment process Democrats tried to run a very narrow focus on things, and it did not help. Also being anti-immigration is always a safe call.

2 hours ago, iNow said:

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/22/21231763/dr-rick-bright-fired-hhs-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-vaccine-trump
 

 

And yet another example how the administrations cripples their own response in order to support their narrative. 

4 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

This should be mocked as a redundant measure. When vilified the talking point goes to Trump. He's probably already writing ads pointing out how Dems want to "open the borders" during the height of the pandemic, while wrapping himself in the flag and putting Americans first.

Well, turns out that the WSJ editorial board is also calling it out as a distraction and endangering the economy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-immigration-distraction-11587511218

 

[J.C.MacSwell]

2 hours ago, CharonY said:

 

Well, turns out that the WSJ editorial board is also calling it out as a distraction and endangering the economy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-immigration-distraction-11587511218

 

It's behind a  paywall.

[StringJunky]

4 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

It's behind a  paywall.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-york/articles/2020-04-22/editorial-roundup-new-york

[J.C.MacSwell]

24 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-york/articles/2020-04-22/editorial-roundup-new-york

Thanks. Has anyone read it, and agreed with the conclusion that it, specifically the 60 day suspension of immigration with all the exceptions, will hurt the economic recovery?

Or just agree that it's politically motivated, and/or intended as a distraction?

[dimreepr]

3 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Thanks. Has anyone read it, and agreed with the conclusion that it, specifically the 60 day suspension of immigration with all the exceptions, will hurt the economic recovery?

Or just agree that it's politically motivated, and/or intended as a distraction?

Maybe he is trying to hide in plain sight, but that's not his MO...

Edited April 23, 2020 by dimreepr

[MigL]

And to prove my point that you guys are overestimating his greed, and underestimating his stupidity...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/coronavirus-trump-light-disinfectants

President Trump has now suggested experts find a way to inject light or disinfectants into the human body to combat Covid-19.
( I myself have been doing that for years, by raising my blood alcohol level; but not before driving )

Edited April 24, 2020 by MigL

[dimreepr]

4 hours ago, MigL said:

And to prove my point that you guys are overestimating his greed, and underestimating his stupidity...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/coronavirus-trump-light-disinfectants

President Trump has now suggested experts find a way to inject light or disinfectants into the human body to combat Covid-19.
( I myself have been doing that for years, by raising my blood alcohol level; but not before driving )

It's almost to stupid too believe it's true.

[Strange]

4 hours ago, MigL said:

And to prove my point that you guys are overestimating his greed, and underestimating his stupidity...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/coronavirus-trump-light-disinfectants

President Trump has now suggested experts find a way to inject light or disinfectants into the human body to combat Covid-19.
( I myself have been doing that for years, by raising my blood alcohol level; but not before driving )

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice [or greed] that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

And, "Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain" (Schiller)

[J.C.MacSwell]

I think he's onto something...given enough light and disinfectant and your chances of dying from Covid 19 drop dramatically...

[Strange]

9 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

I think he's onto something...given enough light and disinfectant and your chances of dying from Covid 19 drop dramatically...

The only thing that might make you think "I wish I had covid-19 instead"

[StringJunky]

Expect to see a spike in melanomas in 10 years and blindness after a rash of naive Trumpites  take to sunbeds and homemade whole-body uv sterilisers.

Edited April 24, 2020 by StringJunky

[dimreepr]

It's like 'top gear' has usurped reality.

[StringJunky]

Timely:

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Don't inject disinfectants, Lysol warns as Trump raises idea

WASHINGTON (AP) — The parent company of Lysol and another disinfectant warned Friday that its products should not be used as an internal treatment for the coronavirus after President Donald Trump wondered about the prospect during a White House briefing.

Trump noted Thursday that researchers were looking at the effects of disinfectants on the virus and wondered aloud if they could be injected into people, saying the virus “does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

That prompted a strong warning from the maker of disinfectants Lysol and Dettol, which said it was issuing a statement to combat “recent speculation.”

“As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route),” said the statement from Reckitt Benckiser.

https://apnews.com/697d9ecef7f89cf5e9abb3b008c7faa7

 

[iNow]

40 minutes ago, StringJunky said:

Timely:

And now that their legal CYA statement is in place, Darwin will sort the rest out

[Moontanman]

H2O2 is and or has already been touted as a cure for covid 19 when injected into the blood stream. This has been a practice for decades for other things but some of more gullible acquaintances have  been suggesting this...  

[John Cuthber]

Presumably, his comments on chloroquine, (and mexico paying for the wall  etc.) are like his idea that people should try mainlining  dettol- just sarcasm.

[J.C.MacSwell]

I don't know what to believe anymore, or what to do with that second bottle of Lysol...I guess I could always use it for cleaning surfaces.

[iNow]

Meanwhile, I continue wondering: What’s he trying to distract us from? What was he doing that required a comment so crazy to hide from view? We’ve spent 2 days talking about Lysol and a lot can happen behind the scenes during 2 days.  I continue wondering what it was. 

[J.C.MacSwell]

4 minutes ago, iNow said:

Meanwhile, I continue wondering: What’s he trying to distract us from? What was he doing that required a comment so crazy to hide from view? We’ve spent 2 days talking about Lysol and a lot can happen behind the scenes during 2 days.  I continue wondering what it was. 

 

On 4/24/2020 at 5:55 AM, Strange said:

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice [or greed] that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

[iNow]

Right. I’m not convinced stupidity is an adequate explanation for what we are experiencing.  

He’s a master at controlling media narratives. It’s too simplistic to assume this past four years has been nothing more than a string of mistakes from a village idiot. There’s a method to the madness...

Edited April 25, 2020 by iNow

[StringJunky]

29 minutes ago, iNow said:

Right. I’m not convinced stupidity is an adequate explanation for what we are experiencing.  

He’s a master at controlling media narratives. It’s too simplistic to assume this past four years has been nothing more than a string of mistakes from a village idiot. There’s a method to the madness...

He may well be burying bad news but he's still going to have to answer for them eventually. "You can fool some people...". I reckon in the end he'll likely run out of escape options.

Edited April 25, 2020 by StringJunky