Moreno Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 4:44 PM, CharonY said: Also the ideas make no sense to me. Easing the access to higher education is fine, but paying the equivalent of a salary does not amke sense to me (outside of graduate studies where folks actually work full-time). What is the benefit of studying in Uni for as long as possible? How does it benefit the student, the Uni and the society at large? Intelligent people will start to produce children earlier in their life and perhaps larger amount of them without fear of unemployment and student debts. Society will benefit from both increased number of educated people and their children. Bursary suppose to constitute 80-90% of average beginner specialist salary in the field, so people would not loose interest to search job rather than continue their study for PhD or go in another university. Who is going to pay for it? Taxpayers, of course. But hopefully, not the poorest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Moreno said: Intelligent people will start to produce children earlier in their life and perhaps larger amount of them without fear of unemployment and student debts. People with a higher level of education and with financial stability tend to have fewer children, not more. Also with this bizarre focus on “intelligent people” having children sounds a bit like we are moving from racism straight into eugenics. Wow. You do realise that there is not a strong genetic component to intelligence? Here is an example: Quote Born ... to poor, working-class parents. His mother was illiterate and never recorded the date of his birth, remembering only that he had been born on a Wednesday Oh no, we don’t want people like that having children. Only nice, rich, well educated people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 As I already noted IQ tests are a century out of date Intelligence testing the 2020 way was examined on BBC Horizon on 4th May. Sorry this broadcast has been and gone but some may be able to access it on catchup and there is a web based activity to go with it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2xhbqsm0NyPLfRzYqNl966M/how-intelligent-are-you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharonY Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Strange said: People with a higher level of education and with financial stability tend to have fewer children, not more. Also with this bizarre focus on “intelligent people” having children sounds a bit like we are moving from racism straight into eugenics. Wow. You do realise that there is not a strong genetic component to intelligence? Here is an example: Oh no, we don’t want people like that having children. Only nice, rich, well educated people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss Also take a look at this paper here: https://www.pabst-publishers.com/fileadmin/Redaktion/Beitrag_des_Monats/popsy_2-2018_267-283.pdf Quote Generational IQ test score gains in the general population (the Flynn effect) have been observed to diminish in strength in recent years, and there is evidence for a stagnation and even a reversal of the Flynn effect in a number of countries. Here, we show that there is only little evidence for effects of migration, fertility, and mortality as substantive correlates of IQ decreases. We argue that the stagnation of the Flynn effect may be explained by ceiling effects and diminishing returns of IQ-boosting factors, whilst its reversal can be attributed to negative associations with psychometric g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Strange said: You do realise that there is not a strong genetic component to intelligence? Here is an example: Oh no, we don’t want people like that having children. Only nice, rich, well educated people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss With all due respect to the point you are trying to make, we have no idea how intelligent Gauss' mother was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 9 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said: With all due respect to the point you are trying to make, we have no idea how intelligent Gauss' mother was. True. But by the naive approach taken by the OP I guess she would be considered unsuitable for breeding because she could not evidence her IQ (unlike those who have spent decades in state-funded education, learning sports, nail decoration, catering, juggling, etc /sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Strange said: True. But by the naive approach taken by the OP I guess she would be considered unsuitable for breeding because she could not evidence her IQ (unlike those who have spent decades in state-funded education, learning sports, nail decoration, catering, juggling, etc /sarcasm) It's easy to underestimate people. Moreno seems to have been convinced himself (herself?) that people of Papua New Guinea are quite talented, and apparently isn't from there...so maybe there's hope for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said: himself (herself?) themself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Strange said: themself? Themselves... Edited May 10, 2020 by dimreepr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Strange said: themself? That works. I use "they", and "them" alot for singular. What should I have used here? 23 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said: It's easy to underestimate people. Moreno seems to have been convinced himself (herself?) that people of Papua New Guinea are quite talented, and apparently isn't from there...so maybe there's hope for him. "them" still doesn't seem right in that sentence. Edited May 10, 2020 by J.C.MacSwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said: That works. I use "they", and "them" alot for singular. What should I have used here? "them" still doesn't seem right in that sentence. If we don't include everyone's intelligence, how do we know who them are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said: That works. I use "they", and "them" alot for singular. What should I have used here? I would actually use "themselves"; for example: "The chosen student must make themselves available on Friday morning when they will receive the materials to distribute to the other students." But "themself" does get used occasionally when the antecedent is obviously singular. Quote "them" still doesn't seem right in that sentence. I think it would if you wrote the whole sentence using they/them/themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said: It's easy to underestimate people. Moreno seems to have been convinced himself (herself?) that people of Papua New Guinea are quite talented, and apparently isn't from there...so maybe there's hope for him. 2 minutes ago, Strange said: I would actually use "themselves"; for example: "The chosen student must make themselves available on Friday morning when they will receive the materials to distribute to the other students." But "themself" does get used occasionally when the antecedent is obviously singular. I think it would if you wrote the whole sentence using they/them/themselves It's easy to underestimate people. Moreno seems to have been convinced themself that people of Papua New Guinea are quite talented, and apparently they isn't from there...so maybe there's hope for them. Seem OK? Or should "isn't" be "aren't"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, J.C.MacSwell said: It's easy to underestimate people. Moreno seems to have been convinced themself that people of Papua New Guinea are quite talented, and apparently they isn't from there...so maybe there's hope for them. Seem OK? Or should "isn't" be "aren't"? It would be "aren't" because we require grammatical agreement. In the same that we say "you are" and not "you is" even when talking to a single person because "you" is a plural pronoun (we lost the singular form, "ye", a long time ago although it is still used in some dialects). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.MacSwell Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Thanks (I wasn't really comfortable with "isn't", unless I left out the "they") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/why-iq-is-not-the-same-as-intelligence/p08c6nd8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, studiot said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/why-iq-is-not-the-same-as-intelligence/p08c6nd8 Well I hope Moreno watches that. It answers pretty much all his points in this thread and the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Strange said: Well I hope Moreno watches that. It answers pretty much all his points in this thread and the other one. ! Moderator Note Hopefully it will do so in a way discussing it fell short of. Thread closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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