hijack from The Killing of George Floyd: The Last Straw?

[essereio]

1 hour ago, zapatos said:

Candace is creating a straw man. 

"I am not going to accept the narrative that this (George Floyd) is the best that the black community has to offer."

I have seen no one make that claim. Mourning him as a martyr is not the same as claiming he lived a great life. 

Given her background I am not surprised though. She is a racist's dream. A young, educated black woman who dislikes BLM and likes Hitler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_USA

Here is what Wikipedia has to say about Turning Point USA, widely considered to be a racist organization, for whom Candace worked as their communications director.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_USA

Did you watch the whole video?

He wasn't a martyr period. You're derailing the point of the video.

She's neutral and not picking sides. You're pulling an ad hominem on her.

I dislike BLM also because it's self-evident that it's a hate group. I've lived in a multicultural community as a minority white male while receiving an unfair amount of insulting remarks from racist black people while minding my own business and at other times witnessed humble black people feeling frustrated with the rude and loud attitudes of other black people. BLM is a hate group because racism is driven by us verses them mentality.

Hitler wanted good for people. It's just that his actions were incorrect towards taking out the trash(religion). Was he a good leader? No. Was he a bad leader? Who cares. He was ok. Nothing remarkable or revolutionary.

[zapatos]

1 minute ago, essereio said:

Hitler wanted good for people. It's just that his actions were incorrect towards taking out the trash(religion). Was he a good leader? No. Was he a bad leader? Who cares. He was ok. Nothing remarkable or revolutionary.

You're killing me Smalls.

[essereio]

1 minute ago, zapatos said:

You're killing me Smalls.

🤨

[uncool]

A gentle reminder: please DNFTT

Edited June 16, 2020 by uncool

[Alex_Krycek]

3 hours ago, essereio said:

 

I dislike BLM also because it's self-evident that it's a hate group. 

"Self evident" to you, because you're prejudiced, perhaps?

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I've lived in a multicultural community as a minority white male while receiving an unfair amount of insulting remarks from racist black people while minding my own business and at other times witnessed humble black people feeling frustrated with the rude and loud attitudes of other black people.

Where was this?

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BLM is a hate group because racism is driven by us verses them mentality.

Really?  I thought their mentality was "please stop killing us for no reason".  That's not "us vs. them".  They want police brutality to stop.  

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Hitler wanted good for people. It's just that his actions were incorrect towards taking out the trash(religion). Was he a good leader? No. Was he a bad leader? Who cares. He was ok. Nothing remarkable or revolutionary.

This comment reveals your true mentality.  Nothing else needs to be said.

Edited June 16, 2020 by Alex_Krycek

[J.C.MacSwell]

1 hour ago, iNow said:

You mean the nice lady with dark skin who supports nazis? Yeah, okay. 

Can you link for context? 

 

[iNow]

1 hour ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Can you link for context? 

Zapatos already did, but uncool def had the more appropriate response:

 

2 hours ago, uncool said:

A gentle reminder: please DNFTT

 

[J.C.MacSwell]

9 hours ago, iNow said:

Zapatos already did, but uncool def had the more appropriate response:

 

 

Which link refers to her supporting Nazis?

[iNow]

31 minutes ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Which link refers to her supporting Nazis?

Why are we still chasing the trolls distraction?

She said the problem with Hitler wasn’t his white nationalism or mass murder of millions of people, it was his desire to make Germany globalists. I can imagine others able to conceive of bigger problems with Hitler than his desire to operate outside of German borders, but YMMV. 

Now, I don’t give two shits what this Candace lady thinks or says, but I also recognize it as an obvious strawman from an obvious apologist for extreme and racist views... which is why I find the insertion of her video into this thread as an intentional attempt to distract... the modern equivalent of a monkey turd or virtual smoke grenade being tossed into our discussion so we all stop focusing on the actual topic...

So, as for George Floyd’s killing and the need for police reform in the US... any thoughts on that which are relevant, on-topic, or preferably both?

Edited June 17, 2020 by iNow

[J.C.MacSwell]

3 minutes ago, iNow said:

Why are we still chasing the trolls distraction?

She said the problem with Hitler wasn’t his white nationalism, it was his desire to make Germany globalists. I can imagine others able to conceive of bigger problems with Hitler than his desire to operate outside of German borders. 

Now, I don’t give two shits what this Candace lady thinks or says, which is why I find the insertion of her video into this thread as an intentional attempt to distract... the modern equivalent of a monkey turd grenade being tossed into our discussion so we stop focusing on the actual topic...

So, as for George Floyd’s killing and the need for police reform in the US... any thoughts on that which are relevant, on-topic, or preferably both?

I wasn't. I was questioning your claim that she supports Nazis. If she's been accused of that, it's fair to ask the context. She is obviously conservative. It's not uncommon to hear accusations like that from those that simply don't like other's opinions. Sometimes it might be a fair statement, but too often it isn't. Or she could be using a reference to Hitler or Nazis to get attention (generally an unwise and/or very suspect thing to do, but it falls short of supporting Hitler or what Nazis stand for)

[Phi for All]

10 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Or she could be using a reference to Hitler or Nazis to get attention (generally an unwise and/or very suspect thing to do, but it falls short of supporting Hitler or what Nazis stand for)

From what I've read, the GOP is using her position on Hitler to further their attempts to paint the Nazis as socialists and globalists, and to remove the fascist label from themselves and stick it on the Dems. The fact that she's black seems to be currently overpowering the combined ignorance of all those stances, and it lets the GOP redirect much of the anger from the Floyd protests to their own questionable causes. Stunning use of propaganda and misinformation, but it has as much to do with the murder of George Floyd as the Koch Brothers had to do with the original Tea Party movement.

[dimreepr]

55 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

From what I've read, the GOP is using her position on Hitler to further their attempts to paint the Nazis as socialists and globalists, and to remove the fascist label from themselves and stick it on the Dems. The fact that she's black seems to be currently overpowering the combined ignorance of all those stances, and it lets the GOP redirect much of the anger from the Floyd protests to their own questionable causes. Stunning use of propaganda and misinformation, but it has as much to do the the murder of George Floyd as the Koch Brothers had to do with the original Tea Party movement.

I know I am, but what are you... 😛

The only positive I can think of, we're that much closer to the bottom... 😉

And we still have time to swing our legs.

[essereio]

14 hours ago, Alex_Krycek said:

"Self evident" to you, because you're prejudiced, perhaps?

Really?  I thought their mentality was "please stop killing us for no reason".  That's not "us vs. them".  They want police brutality to stop. 

Do you see the hate and victim mentality?

No prejudice. Simply an aversion to obnoxious loudmouths regardless of skin color who expect their bad behavior rewarded. This includes my younger white brother who I can tell to shut up without being accused of being racist.

Police brutality will stop when people stop being loudmouths and breaking the law. Like I said... people want their bad behavior rewarded.

 

14 hours ago, Alex_Krycek said:

"Self evident" to you, because you're prejudiced, perhaps?

Really?  I thought their mentality was "please stop killing us for no reason".  That's not "us vs. them".  They want police brutality to stop. 

Malton, Ontario, Canada. This is a place where police is required to keep the peace. They tried removing the police station after renovating the whole place with new stores and streets but crime rate including killings went up.

14 hours ago, Alex_Krycek said:

This comment reveals your true mentality.  Nothing else needs to be said.

Without great power comes great irresponsibility.

[dimreepr]

8 minutes ago, essereio said:

Do you see the hate and victim mentality?

No prejudice. Simply an aversion to obnoxious loudmouths regardless of skin color who expect their bad behavior rewarded. This includes my younger white brother who I can tell to shut up without being accused of being racist.

Police brutality will stop when people stop being loudmouths and breaking the law. Like I said... people want their bad behavior rewarded.

 

 

Malton, Ontario, Canada. This is a place where police is required to keep the peace. They tried removing the police station after renovating the whole place with new stores and streets but crime rate including killings went up.

Without great power comes great irresponsibility.

So long, and thanks for all the fish... 🙄

[Alex_Krycek]

14 minutes ago, essereio said:

Do you see the hate and victim mentality?

No prejudice. Simply an aversion to obnoxious loudmouths regardless of skin color who expect their bad behavior rewarded. This includes my younger white brother who I can tell to shut up without being accused of being racist.

Nope.  I see people who look angry.  Are black people allowed to be angry at injustice, or are you suggesting they should blithely accept whatever mistreatment comes their way?

14 minutes ago, essereio said:

Police brutality will stop when people stop being loudmouths and breaking the law. Like I said... people want their bad behavior rewarded.

Right....so when people of color are "loudmouths" and step out of line, it's OK to gun them down.  That must be the Nazi sympathizer in you talking,  

14 minutes ago, essereio said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Malton, Ontario, Canada. This is a place where police is required to keep the peace. They tried removing the police station after renovating the whole place with new stores and streets but crime rate including killings went up.

Stats please?

14 minutes ago, essereio said:

Without great power comes great irresponsibility.

I guess that platitude is intended to justify fascism?  Fascism is an obsolete ideology, like Communism.  The world is moving on. 

[dimreepr]

8 minutes ago, Alex_Krycek said:

Nope.  I see people who look angry.  Are black people allowed to be angry at injustice, or are you suggesting they should blithely accept whatever mistreatment comes their way?

Right....so when people of color are "loudmouths" and step out of line, it's OK to gun them down.  That must be the Nazi sympathizer in you talking,  

Stats please?

I guess that platitude is intended to justify fascism?  Fascism is an obsolete ideology, like Communism.  The world is moving on. 

Dude, you kinda killed the mike drop... Listen to Uncool FFS...

[Alex_Krycek]

2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Dude, you kinda killed the mike drop... Listen to Uncool FFS...

Disagree.

[dimreepr]

Just now, Alex_Krycek said:

Disagree.

There's two ways to look at this... 😉

[essereio]

2 hours ago, Alex_Krycek said:

Nope.  I see people who look angry.  Are black people allowed to be angry at injustice, or are you suggesting they should blithely accept whatever mistreatment comes their way?

Right....so when people of color are "loudmouths" and step out of line, it's OK to gun them down.  That must be the Nazi sympathizer in you talking,  

Stats please?

I guess that platitude is intended to justify fascism?  Fascism is an obsolete ideology, like Communism.  The world is moving on. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_make_a_right

You're twisting everything without seeing the bigger picture of why a few or maybe a good portion of black people turn off a lot of other people. It's not just white people who are extremely annoyed by the rap/hip pop garbage personas. Loud music, loud voices, insults to innocent people, drugs, gun shootings and the list goes on. You get what you give.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-hate-rap-music

Injustice? Verbal abuse on a consistent basis is a lot worse than physical abuse. Black people are much less likely to be taken seriously because of the rude behavior/rap persona of a few. I feel sorry for a good portion of young blacks who get brainwashed by the rap/hip hop music and then go on towards causing psychological issues towards society.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch.

Hopefully understanding how we feel will help you see that a lot of people have an aversion towards those who stress them out.

[zapatos]

This thread has nothing to do with your justifications for why you and your friends do not like black people and their loud music, or why Hitler was "ok". Go spread your racist views elsewhere.

[essereio]

2 minutes ago, zapatos said:

This thread has nothing to do with your justifications for why you and your friends do not like black people and their loud music, or why Hitler was "ok". Go spread your racist views elsewhere.

I'm racist because I don't reward bad behavior?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[hypervalent_iodine]

2 hours ago, essereio said:

I'm racist because I don't reward bad behavior?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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No, you're racist because you espouse racist beliefs, the expression of which on this forum (besides being wrong) is also against the rules. Consider yourself banned.