Hospital HSDS sheet similar to MSDS sheets for air quality

[Ken123456]

I believe a hospital document is needed to share disinfectant systems for air conditioners, filter systems for diseases and number of change outs of air per hour for the hospitals and each room. This document should be available on line and I call it HSDS (Hospital Safety Data Sheets) like MSDS (Material Safety Data sheets)

[PhilGeis]

https://www.mintie.com/assets/img/resources/ASHRAE_Article-on-VentilationChanges.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5210a1.htm

 

[Ken123456]

Thanks for the guidelines and the CDC sent it to me earlier and I believe the next step needs to be done and they have not replied. Please see my latest reply to the CDC. 

>>>Thanks and now it is relatively simple for all hospitals to publish an HSDS for their property. Who or what organization can first provide a legal requirement for HSDS or research what a HSDS sheet will be composed of?  

Regards

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[PhilGeis]

Perhaps hospitals have established relevant protocols.  HSDS is your term.

[Ken123456]

Called one of the largest hospitals in my area and they mentioned they could give me their maintenance crew and that would work but for the public a HSDS sheet on line would be easy to review. That way the public could easily compare different Hospitals.

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Ken123456

[PhilGeis]

Don't think the public would comprehend such protocols.  

Relevant articles:, latter cites ASHRAE standards.   https://www.achrnews.com/articles/105354-a-guide-to-best-practices-in-hospital-iaq and https://www.csemag.com/articles/indoor-air-quality-in-hospitals/

Edited June 24, 2020 by PhilGeis

[Ken123456]

Many of my friends fully understand MSDS sheets. Please review with some you know. Thanks for sharing.

[PhilGeis]

I don't think MSDS sheets are relevant.  They largely and briefly report specific data with some very limited stuff on disposal and safety.  You need more  for a protocl.

[Ken123456]

4 hours ago, PhilGeis said:

I don't think MSDS sheets are relevant.  They largely and briefly report specific data with some very limited stuff on disposal and safety.  You need more  for a protocol.

I would think for the public to understand the Hospital air safety systems of hospital comparisons an HSDS is sufficient. Then one can quickly look at a large variety of hospitals in my area and make a comparison. Even a program sharing comparisons can be an good app. 

The MSDS is only an example and an HSDS can be similar in some ways. HSDS could have a grade for each hospital, Safety systems callouts, etc. and should be very simple for the public to understand.

Edited June 25, 2020 by Ken123456

[PhilGeis]

Does your HSDS and it's grading algorithm exist at this point?  

[Ken123456]

Preliminary. 5 stars grading w/ a 1 star less safe than a 5 star for quick review then quantity of systems, then listing of systems with one sentence description. Link to the full description as already posted by CDC. Very little work for the hospital because everything is already defined, only a matter of Federal law requiring all hospitals fill the HSDS form.  

[PhilGeis]

Sounds pretty subjective.  Sure seems as a leap - a federal law requiring Ken's imagined and tbd "HSDS"? I doubt this will enjoy  fed legislative priority.

Edited June 27, 2020 by PhilGeis

[Ken123456]

Possible like other suggestions, the only hope is smart ones catch on. Remember this is reality not imagination. My so called imagination engineered two of the world's largest nuclear plants, derived a new method of calculation of Mississippi River hydraulics equations accepted by Tulane University top profesor who is paid by the CORPS to perform hydraulic studies for them, developed horizontal vessel with elliptical end caps volume equation when height is known (40 years ago and copyrighted) now all process studies use the equation, spent 40 years engineering safety critical systems for refineries and chemical plants, but I am only a hobbiest on this subject as most of the others.

Everything I do is doubted by many but almost always comes to pass. I am a "f.....g Genus" according to a different Tulane professor, I thought that was funny.

[PhilGeis]

I see, this is about you.

[Ken123456]

It is about a vision not an imagination. As far as what I posted, I am trying to share about me but it is not about me. 

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Edited June 29, 2020 by Ken123456

[Ken123456]

On 6/23/2020 at 9:28 AM, Ken123456 said:

I believe a hospital document is needed to share disinfectant systems for air conditioners, filter systems for diseases and number of change outs of air per hour for the hospitals and each room. This document should be available on line and I call it HSDS (Hospital Safety Data Sheets) like MSDS (Material Safety Data sheets)

Mor reason for HSDS sheets...

Please see proof  it may well be not low.

CDC: " Early reports suggest person-to-person transmission most commonly happens during close exposure to a person infected with COVID-19,"

Please see article: 

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/11/1005087/coronavirus-airborne-fighting-wrong-way/amp/

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Ken123456

[Ken123456]

2 hours ago, Ken123456 said:

Mor reason for HSDS sheets...

Please see proof  it may well be not low.

CDC: " Early reports suggest person-to-person transmission most commonly happens during close exposure to a person infected with COVID-19,"

Please see article: 

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/11/1005087/coronavirus-airborne-fighting-wrong-way/amp/

 

Expanded CDC response, helps fully understand. 

CDC: The risk of spreading the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) through ventilation systems has not been studied, but is likely low. Early reports suggest person-to-person transmission most commonly happens during close exposure to a person infected with COVID-19, primarily via respiratory droplets produced when the infected person coughs or sneezes.