IDoNotCare Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, joigus said: Now you have You're careening off topic towards discussing your favourite toys at alarming speed. You're obviously one of the fools I systematically and physically demolished on mainstream hacking a dead forum to spite me with negs. Which would explain why I haven't gotten a single pos.That's pathetic though! Because you didn't unlock ultra instinct and your dojo sucks you're gonna hack a dead website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, IDoNotCare said: You're obviously one of the fools I systematically and physically demolished on mainstream hacking a dead forum to spite me with negs. Which would explain why I haven't gotten a single pos.That's pathetic though! Because you didn't unlock ultra instinct and your dojo sucks you're gonna hack a dead website. I care not how you define me. Nor would I waste a second's thought in defining you. Nothing you can say about me can move me one way or the other. Although I suspect you will appeal to insult rather easily. I do care about ideas, theories, consistency, rebuttals, compelling arguments, experimental checks, different levels of cross checks, certainty, hidden assumptions... If this site is dead, what are you doing trying to find a place among the dead? There are plenty of places out there where you can find people far more unconcerned about assumptions and logical consistency, and totally obsessed about defining each other and themselves rather than examining their mutual assumptions. You would feel far more at ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladking Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, IDoNotCare said: The difference in time particles (4D graviton topologies) can be interpreted as lp1*9^28=hG/c^3 ->c^3=hG/lp1*9^28->c=cuberoot(hG/9^28lp1)... Thank you for taking the time to explain that but you lost me early. By "not being able to quantify anything at all" I merely meant that no event can occur in which all variables will ever be quantifiable. We quantify conditions or possibilities using as much knowledge as we can. But words and thought are much more events than conditions. Good luck in your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 9 hours ago, cladking said: Thank you for taking the time to explain that but you lost me early. By "not being able to quantify anything at all" I merely meant that no event can occur in which all variables will ever be quantifiable. We quantify conditions or possibilities using as much knowledge as we can. But words and thought are much more events than conditions. Good luck in your work. Then you meant "not being able to quantify everything" which is not at all the same as "not being able to quantify anything at all" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladking Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, swansont said: Then you meant "not being able to quantify everything" which is not at all the same as "not being able to quantify anything at all" To quantify an "event" and then predict what are its effects it is necessary to quantify every effect of that event including the trajectory of each subatomic particle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, cladking said: To quantify an "event" and then predict what are its effects it is necessary to quantify every effect of that event including the trajectory of each subatomic particle. Then you know where you are, but not where you're going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, cladking said: To quantify an "event" and then predict what are its effects it is necessary to quantify every effect of that event including the trajectory of each subatomic particle. You say this as if it were relevant. And true. You can predict the result of raising the temperature of a gas without knowing the trajectory of each particle. You can predict how many particles will decay from a sample after a period of time without knowing the specifics of the particles. There is a lot you can quantify, without having to (or being able to) quantify other things. My point was that "we can't know everything" is not equivalent to "we know nothing" and you have done nothing to rebut that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladking Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, swansont said: My point was that "we can't know everything" is not equivalent to "we know nothing" and you have done nothing to rebut that. I don't rebut that. My point is that we don't know everything about anything. This leaves open the possibility that our ignorance is far broader and deeper than anyone can imagine. Even a butterfly can use hot air rising from a fire to gain altitude but that hardly means he "understands" any kind of scientific theory whatsoever. 3 hours ago, dimreepr said: Then you know where you are, but not where you're going... Yes. Additionally to not being able to predict the future due to chaos and subtle effects we obviously don't even know all the fundamental "laws" which govern any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted August 29, 2020 Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 And we don't know anything about many more things than those we know something about. And then there are things we don't know if we don't know. And things we don't know if we could know. And maybe things we think we know, but we don't. Makes you wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Caledin Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 - according to Pascal, the best philosophy is made by those who have no time for it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Alex Caledin said: - according to Pascal, the best philosophy is made by those who have no time for it) What does that mean, for you? For me, it meant why not take the bet; not because there maybe a god who provides some sort of heaven, but because there maybe some truth in the teaching's of those who invoke a diety to instil a mind-set on those who can't imagine a heaven, now... Then we don't have to wait for death to collect on the wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Caledin Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, dimreepr said: What does that mean, for you? - hmmm - first and foremost, LIFE IS SHORT - if indeed actually aware of that, one can be either a saint or a hitler - and it's the latter who was developing his own philosophy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Alex Caledin said: - hmmm - first and foremost, LIFE IS SHORT - if indeed actually aware of that, one can be either a saint or a hitler - and it's the latter who was developing his own philosophy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal And Hitler was hyped up on amphetamines. I know who I'd trust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eise Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 17 hours ago, Alex Caledin said: - according to Pascal, the best philosophy is made by those who have no time for it) Where did Pascal got the time to write such things down? According to most other philosophers, philosophy only exists in cultures where people have spare time. E.g. the Greeks had slaves, which gave their masters time to reflect on nature, society and themselves. People who have no time could be: full in the struggle of life: all their time is used to get food, shelter, and stay safe for any danger totally unaware that their world could be different as it is, i.e. accept the culture or society in which they live as a 'naturally given' and conform to to it without reflecting (My disclaimer could be extended from science to more or less all of life ("There is no such thing as philosophy-free science; there is only science whose philosophical baggage is taken on board without examination.")). Ideologically shaped societal dogmas are seen as 'natural', or 'obviously the best principles to live by'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Pascal must have been under a lot of pressure when he said that. 14 hours ago, Eise said: According to most other philosophers, philosophy only exists in cultures where people have spare time. I see no way in which this could be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 9/17/2020 at 9:59 PM, joigus said: On 9/17/2020 at 7:28 AM, Eise said: According to most other philosophers, philosophy only exists in cultures where people have spare time. I see no way in which this could be false. Didn't Wittgenstein describe the flaw in that argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Didn't Wittgenstein describe the flaw in that argument? I'm not sure. You probably know more about Wittgenstein than I do. But then again, I'm a junk philosopher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, joigus said: . But then again, I'm a junk philosopher. Aren't we all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 37 minutes ago, dimreepr said: I see no way in which this could be false. Let me just correct you about something: This is not really an argument, if you think about it. It's a statement. I think you mean that wielding it in order to prove something, right or wrong, is flawed. I'm not familiar with Wittgenstein's argument, but I'd be very interested to know. Perhaps @Eise knows. He's our on-call philosopher. 6 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Aren't we all? You and I probably are. I don't know about "all". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, joigus said: Let me just correct you about something: This is not really an argument, if you think about it. It's a statement. I think you mean that wielding it in order to prove something, right or wrong, is flawed. I'm not familiar with Wittgenstein's argument, but I'd be very interested to know. Perhaps @Eise knows. He's our on-call philosopher Indeed, perhaps the life of brian can explain... 12 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Indeed, perhaps the life of brian can explain... It's the meek, that's the problem... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cladking Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 3 hours ago, dimreepr said: Indeed, perhaps the life of brian can explain... Finally something on which we can agree. If I can say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 hours ago, dimreepr said: Indeed, perhaps the life of brian can explain... It's the meek, that's the problem... Isn't it blessed are the Greek? (as long as we're discussing philosophy and Life of Brian...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Blessed are the cheesemakers (really, any makers of dairy products) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, joigus said: Let me just correct you about something: This is not really an argument, if you think about it. It's a statement. I think you mean that wielding it in order to prove something, right or wrong, is flawed. I'm not familiar with Wittgenstein's argument, but I'd be very interested to know. Perhaps @Eise knows. He's our on-call philosopher. I'll be honest, I was hoping that post would intice Eise to return to the site and explain how badly I've misinterpreted Wittgenstein... Edited March 27, 2021 by dimreepr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, dimreepr said: I'll be honest, I was hoping that post would intice Eise to return to the site and explain how badly I've misinterpreted Wittgenstein... You read my mind, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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