mundane Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 so the decreasing order of -I effect is NO2>CN>F>COOH>Cl>Br..... In chloro acetic acid, chlorine pulls the electrons towards itself rather than COOH, why? isn't COOH more strong than Cl? please help me out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, mundane said: so the decreasing order of -I effect is NO2>CN>F>COOH>Cl>Br..... In chloro acetic acid, chlorine pulls the electrons towards itself rather than COOH, why? isn't COOH more strong than Cl? please help me out! Look carefully at the structure. The carbon of the CH2 group has two competing electronegative groups attached, the chlorine and the carbonyl. The chlorine 'pulls' electrons towards itself a bit , increasing the resisiting effect of the CH2 carbon, thus reducing the electron pulling effect of the carbonyl , and vice versa. This makes it easier for the carbonyl carbon to pull an electron from the attached hydrogen, releasing a proton to solution. This makes the chlorinated acid a bit stronger than the non chlorinated acid. That is the the basis of the inductive effect. An electron attraction is passed 'down the line' in the structure with effects on groups not directly connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundane Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 great explanation yet I failed to understand as to why COOH being the strongest couldn't overcome the inductive effect of Cl. please clarify! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 17 hours ago, mundane said: great explanation yet I failed to understand as to why COOH being the strongest couldn't overcome the inductive effect of Cl. please clarify! It's not a question of 'overcoming' , that implies all or nothing ie full transfer of an electron. The inductive effect refers to only partial transfer. Looking at you attachment, is see that the explanation is interms of electric dipole moments. I find that many Chemists are a bit hazy about dipole moments and have other ways to look at it. The other point about dipole moments is that they are vectors, which means you must add them vectorially, taking account of direction usually in 3D. So planar, linear, skeletal representations are often inadequate. So here is an alternative by considering charge redistribution or delocalisation within a molecule. (You can have the dipole version if you want it) I don't know if you have come across the curly arrow convention? It is a good idea to first understand what happens with a plain hydrocarbon carboxylic acid (acetic acid). #4 on my list shows a list of Ka the acidity equilibrium constant for acetic acid in a number of solvents, water being the most common. #1 shows the equilibrium reaction (with water). The acid anion formed is resonance stabilised as shown which leads to a stable anion and is the reason carboxyl groups are more acidic than phenols which in turn are more acidic than alcohols. Effectively the two oxygens share half the negative charge as shown in #2. I we now substitute an electron withdrawing species such as chlorine at #3 This pulls charge back from the methyl carbon, Which in turn pulls charge back from the 'carboxyl' carbon Delocalising the negative charge over the whole molecule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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