Kartazion Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 If we were formed from Condensed Matter, how could you explain the distribution of matter in space to form the elements as we know them? I wish to have your opinions on how the condensed matter would settle in a larger space. What are the forces and physical quantity that takes into account to explain the atomic distancing?
swansont Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 What is the evidence we were formed from condensed matter?
Kartazion Posted October 16, 2020 Author Posted October 16, 2020 The cosmic microwave background is evidence that the universe expanded from a very hot, dense state.
swansont Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 8:12 PM, Kartazion said: The cosmic microwave background is evidence that the universe expanded from a very hot, dense state. Expand That doesn’t answer the question. “condensed matter” has specific implications, not the least if which that matter is involved. You even capitalized the label. Were you not aware of condensed matter physics, or what is studied? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_matter_physics
Kartazion Posted October 16, 2020 Author Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 10:05 PM, swansont said: That doesn’t answer the question. Expand Ah yes I saw. I was the first one who asked the question to which no one answered. On 10/16/2020 at 10:05 PM, swansont said: “condensed matter” has specific implications, not the least if which that matter is involved. Expand Specific other than the known interaction? On 10/16/2020 at 10:05 PM, swansont said: Were you not aware of condensed matter physics, or what is studied? Expand Not really. Otherwise I would never have asked the question. On 10/16/2020 at 10:05 PM, swansont said: You even capitalized the label. Expand It's because I wanted to talk about condensed matter. On 10/16/2020 at 10:05 PM, swansont said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_matter_physics Expand I just understood that there was a history of temperature.
swansont Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 You want to discuss cosmology, not condensed matter physics
swansont Posted October 16, 2020 Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 11:33 PM, Kartazion said: Both. Expand AFAIK condensed matter physics does not apply to the big bang “A variety of topics in physics such as crystallography, metallurgy, elasticity, magnetism, etc., were treated as distinct areas until the 1940s, when they were grouped together as solid state physics. Around the 1960s, the study of physical properties of liquids was added to this list, forming the basis for the new, related specialty of condensed matter physics.” No crystals, or metals, etc.
Kartazion Posted October 16, 2020 Author Posted October 16, 2020 Crystals? https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/42/eaay8892 I see it's extremely technical. On 10/16/2020 at 11:49 PM, swansont said: AFAIK condensed matter physics does not apply to the big bang Expand But there is certain approach as https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9511076 or https://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9607135
swansont Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 11:54 PM, Kartazion said: Crystals? https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/42/eaay8892 I see it's extremely technical. But there is certain approach as https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9511076 or https://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9607135 Expand I guess it would have been too much trouble to provide that info in the OP
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 11:01 AM, swansont said: I guess it would have been too much trouble to provide that info in the OP Expand Yes. It is because it is not the subject of the question. I am trying to understand what force or what bond is applied between condensed matter and the non-condensed matter (simple atom). You alone have alluded to cosmology. Then I said to myself that the consmology, and by its expansion, would be at the origin of the non-condensed matter.
swansont Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 11:35 AM, Kartazion said: Yes. It is because it is not the subject of the question. I am trying to understand what force or what bond is applied between condensed matter and the non-condensed matter (simple atom). You alone have alluded to cosmology. Then I said to myself that the consmology, and by its expansion, would be at the origin of the non-condensed matter. Expand If we were formed from Condensed Matter suggests cosmology. The big bang. You stated “The cosmic microwave background is evidence that the universe expanded from a very hot, dense state.” before I said cosmology. If that’s not what you meant, then what does “we were formed from condensed matter” mean, (who is “we” and what formation do you refer to?) and what evidence do you have that this is true?
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 Ok On 10/17/2020 at 11:42 AM, swansont said: If we were formed from Condensed Matter suggests cosmology. The big bang. Expand Condensed matter and artificial? On 10/17/2020 at 11:42 AM, swansont said: You stated “The cosmic microwave background is evidence that the universe expanded from a very hot, dense state.” before I said cosmology. Expand The CMB is only one indicator that a dense background and is restricted in space. The CMB are electromagnetic radiation. Is electromagnetic radiation cosmic?
swansont Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 11:45 AM, Kartazion said: Ok Condensed matter and artificial? The CMB is only one indicator that a dense background and is restricted in space. The CMB are electromagnetic radiation. Is electromagnetic radiation cosmic? Expand You specifically said CMB, and hot, dense state. That’s all related to the big bang. Instead of arguing about this, could you address the clarifications I requested? Maybe steering clear of jargon if you don’t know what it means? Using jargon sends a signal that you have a certain level of familiarity with the topic.
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 11:42 AM, swansont said: If that’s not what you meant, then what does “we were formed from condensed matter” mean, (who is “we” and what formation do you refer to?) and what evidence do you have that this is true? Expand This is the difference between the conditional and the affirmative. This is why I used the if. We is us.
swansont Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 11:58 AM, Kartazion said: This is the difference between the conditional and the affirmative. This is why I used the if. Expand But this is not speculations, and your OP is ambiguous. Are you asking what would happen if this is the case, or an explanation of what happened, given that this was the case? A LOT of people ask things like “if evolution is true, how do you explain X” where the conditional applies to the result, not the premise. Your OP reads like that. So PLEASE, PLEASE clarify what you are asking.
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 11:58 AM, swansont said: Instead of arguing about this, could you address the clarifications I requested? Expand What is your request for clarification? On 10/17/2020 at 12:04 PM, swansont said: But this is not speculations, and your OP is ambiguous. Are you asking what would happen if this is the case, or an explanation of what happened, given that this was the case? Expand I did not know.
swansont Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 12:05 PM, Kartazion said: What is your request for clarification? I did not know. Expand You have to pick one.
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 It's because I don't know that I can't answer your request.
Bufofrog Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 Is this your actual question? How does science explain the distribution of matter in space to form the elements as we know them? Or is condensed matter an important aspect of the question? 1
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 12:53 PM, Bufofrog said: Is this your actual question? How does science explain the distribution of matter in space to form the elements as we know them? Or is condensed matter an important aspect of the question? Expand Yes. You also have: On 10/17/2020 at 11:35 AM, Kartazion said: I am trying to understand what force or what bond is applied between condensed matter and the non-condensed matter (simple atom). Expand
Bufofrog Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/17/2020 at 12:58 PM, Kartazion said: Yes Expand The big bang produced primarily hydrogen and helium. Heavier elements were formed in stars from fusion, the heaviest element were primarily formed during novae and super novae. On 10/17/2020 at 12:58 PM, Kartazion said: I am trying to understand what force or what bond is applied between condensed matter and the non-condensed matter (simple atom). Expand Are you asking what are the bonds that make molecules from atoms?
Kartazion Posted October 17, 2020 Author Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) On 10/17/2020 at 1:09 PM, Bufofrog said: Are you asking what are the bonds that make molecules from atoms? Expand No I don't mean chemical bond (but the quark bonds yes), via Condensed Matter. Edited October 17, 2020 by Kartazion
Bufofrog Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) On 10/17/2020 at 1:25 PM, Kartazion said: No I don't mean chemical bond (but the quark bonds yes), via Condensed Matter. Expand Condensed Matter physics is about matter that is held together by chemical bonds. Edited October 17, 2020 by Bufofrog
swansont Posted October 17, 2020 Posted October 17, 2020 ! Moderator Note OK, I’m calling a halt to this clusterf***. Kartazion, you can’t ask for two (possibly mutually exclusive) discussions. Only you know what you want to ask, and making us guess is a bad-faith discussion. Telling us you want to discuss two separate things is also a violation of the rules - one topic per thread Stop using jargon you don’t understand, because this is starting to look like trolling. If you want to discuss the topic, you may open a new thread, but you must re-phrase the question to remove the ambiguity, and stop making us guess what you mean
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